Spurs: Simmons blasts Spurs fans...

[Spurs and Mavs fan]

Isn't this true of nearly all fans of all sports teams?

[romain.star]

He admitted during one of his interview at the 2013 AS Break that he's never been to San Antonio. I guess he needs some time to get used to SA fans

[Phillip]

Isn't this true of nearly all fans of all sports teams?

Somewhat.

SA fans are far more notorious for this than any other fanbase I have ever seen though. In fact, this is probably about the only nauseating thing about Spurs fans. Other than this, they are okay. Nowhere nearly as obnoxious as LA or OKC fans.

[DMC]

Spurs fans know why no one cares about the Spurs they just pretend not to.

They like big, explosive games from superstars just as much as everyone else. They just pretend not to because it never happens on their team. I know several Spurs fans had DVD copies made of Ginobilis "50 point game" against the Suns back in 2005. They love the extraordinary as much as anyone else, they just cant admit it because they live in San Antonio.

The highest scoring game of any Spur this season was 34. To put that in perspective, Jared Dudley had a season of 36 this year.

So why would the media talk about the Spurs? What is there to say and why would anyone care?

You guys still trophy case shopping? The first one you looked at a few decades ago is back in style, just letting you know.

[Mel_13]

You guys still trophy case shopping? The first one you looked at a few decades ago is back in style, just letting you know.

Phoenix Suns: highest ulative regular season winning percentage of all current NBA franchises that have failed to win a championship.

[snickles]

Probably because the know all that "boring" stuff is actually true.

if by boring you mean we don't have players in the news all time time for drunk driving, wife beating, owing mad money to jewelry stores, dog fighting, incidents at strip clubs at 3am, partying the night before a game, pulling guns out in the locker room, coach choking, writing hot checks, shooting a limo driver in the face, or dating mediocre pop stars, then yeah, we're totally boring.

[jeebus]

who says the spurs are boring?????

[Kidd K]

You're right, BNSF also starts a ton of threads whining and crying any time the media doesn't get down on its knees and suck a silver and black . I was wrong to only accuse GNSF of doing it. My bad. And nerd rage insults? The only one who seems to be insulted here is you and I didn't even single you out. Besides, I was just giving a sarcastic example of how your generic "Oh no! Look at this negative comment someone made about the Spurs!" thread goes upstairs. I've been here for seven years and it happens damn near almost every day. The only thing embarrassing or ironic going on right now is how you said my use of sarcasm was embarrassing and ironic when you essentially did the exact same thing in detailing typical ESPN logic when picking against the Spurs in your previous post:



I might have used more swearing to get my point across, but you can't have it both ways, dip . There are a lot of oversensitive Spurs fans upstairs, that's a fact. You can talk about how post counts and username typesetting doesn't mean because you've only been here for a year and don't want to get lumped in with the crowd of folks who clearly don't know what they're talking about, but they can also indicate whether or not someone has the experience to speak on certain subjects like the propensity of a lot of Spurs fans here to take anti-Spurs media comments way too personally. And if you mean to insinuate that the kind of topics and comments I've just described don't frequently go on upstairs, then, well, you're an idiot.



You're really on some kind of crusade with this one, aren't you? The original post in this thread features a tweet of Simmons saying all Spurs fans think you hate the Spurs if you pick against them. All I said was I don't think Simmons hates the Spurs because he picked against them. I never said you said anything. Try to keep up.

Don't flatter yourself assuming I personally felt insulted. I was pointing out the obvious, and the irony of your complaints. People don't have to be insulted to post about it. I'm glad you can agree BN fans aren't any better than GN fans though, I personaly see no difference between them except that the arrogance of BN fans is greater.

Swearing isn't really the point, it's the repetative insults. Those just hurt your point instead of help it since it just displays your bias. Post count and color of name have nothing at all to do with basketball knowledge. It's just how long they've been on the forum posting about random garbage. I've been on more than enough forums to know that the posters with the highest post counts are generally the posters least worth reading. Always the case? No. Usually? Yes. A garbage poster who posts about garbage ten times as much as a good poster who likes to just post about basketball doesn't magically make him a better poster because his post count is higher. Post count means nothing, and I would still say that if I had a million posts.

Lastly, if you weren't referring to me specifically when you said that, maybe you shouldn't say it immediately after referring to me personally three times in the sentence right before it. As if I had a problem with anything except the trolling defense of Simmons who was just acting butthurt over being called out on his repetative excuse making after his picks turned out to be wrong due to lack of being informed.

[apalisoc_9]

Simmons is one of the better analyst we have today. He just doesn't really have enough time to better articulate his thoughts on half-time shows that's why he sounds dumb.

[da_suns_fan]

if by boring you mean we don't have players in the news all time time for drunk driving, wife beating, owing mad money to jewelry stores, dog fighting, incidents at strip clubs at 3am, partying the night before a game, pulling guns out in the locker room, coach choking, writing hot checks, shooting a limo driver in the face, or dating mediocre pop stars, then yeah, we're totally boring.

So Miami and OKC dont have any of those and no one ever called them boring.

The Suns were the most exciting team of the last decade and they didnt have any of those either.

btw - Be sure to download a copy of Tony Parkers rap album. While youre at it, take a look at Stephen Jackson's assault of the fans of detroit.

[benefactor]

You're really on some kind of crusade with this one, aren't you? The original post in this thread features a tweet of Simmons saying all Spurs fans think you hate the Spurs if you pick against them. All I said was I don't think Simmons hates the Spurs because he picked against them. I never said you said anything. Try to keep up.

You've probably figured it out by now...but Kidd K is a pretty huge got with awful takes. He's basically upstairs Spur fan in a nuts .

[cheguevara]

Simmons is one of the better analyst we have today. He just doesn't really have enough time to better articulate his thoughts on half-time shows that's why he sounds dumb.

so jumping on Warriors wagon, claiming they still have a shot every single game, then jumping on grizz wagon, claiming game 2 is proof grizz are getting it together, all those ty opinions are due because he does not have enough time to explain them??

[Clipper Nation]

Simmons is one of the better analyst we have today. He just doesn't really have enough time to better articulate his thoughts on half-time shows that's why he sounds dumb.

He has plenty of time to articulate his thoughts in his columns, yet he sounds re ed in those too....

[DMC]

I happen to be sitting in SH airport in Phoenix right now. The stench of Nash is no longer here. I bet LA smells like Ben Gay and Deep Heet. I wonder what a torn Achilles smells like.

[J.T.]

Don't flatter yourself assuming I personally felt insulted. I was pointing out the obvious, and the irony of your complaints. People don't have to be insulted to post about it. I'm glad you can agree BN fans aren't any better than GN fans though, I personaly see no difference between them except that the arrogance of BN fans is greater.

Swearing isn't really the point, it's the repetative insults. Those just hurt your point instead of help it since it just displays your bias. Post count and color of name have nothing at all to do with basketball knowledge. It's just how long they've been on the forum posting about random garbage. I've been on more than enough forums to know that the posters with the highest post counts are generally the posters least worth reading. Always the case? No. Usually? Yes. A garbage poster who posts about garbage ten times as much as a good poster who likes to just post about basketball doesn't magically make him a better poster because his post count is higher. Post count means nothing, and I would still say that if I had a million posts.

This spat going on between you and I right now has nothing to do with basketball takes and how much someone knows about the sport. At this point it's essentially about your absolute lack of reading comprehension and your inability to accept the fact that a lot of Spurs fans, particularly the oversensitive variety that posts upstairs, take anti-Spurs media analysis extremely personally, whether or not said anti-Spurs media analysis is grounded in fact or fiction. It's not a given for the entire fanbase, but it happens enough to be a trend... You know, like black people dealing cocaine or Mexican women being fat.

That being said, I don't know how the pejorative nature of the "oversensitive " monicker I bestowed upon Spurs fans who take anti-Spurs media analysis too personally hurts the point I'm making at all. It's true and backs up what Simmons said in his tweet. That's all I was trying to point out and I'm absolutely confident that I succeeded in getting that point across. I agree that post count generally just means someone has nothing better to do and posts a lot. But what I said in my previous post remains no less true. I've seen enough threads get made upstairs and in here by Spurs fans crying about anti-Spurs media comments. It's not your fault that you haven't been here long enough to properly digest the frequency at which that happens, but that's not an excuse to act like it doesn't happen as frequently as it does.

Lastly, if you weren't referring to me specifically when you said that, maybe you shouldn't say it immediately after referring to me personally three times in the sentence right before it. As if I had a problem with anything except the trolling defense of Simmons who was just acting butthurt over being called out on his repetative excuse making after his picks turned out to be wrong due to lack of being informed.

Lastly, I think it's funny that you called me out for strawmanning when I wasn't doing it and then immediately turned around and did it yourself. You absolutely took what I said out of context. Here's the entire context just for the sake of pointing this out to you:

GNSF needs to stop being an oversensitive . Not many people like the Spurs outside of San Antonio. When you go out into the world and mingle with other folks, like, oh, I dunno, the fans and media representatives of 29 other teams, you're going to find out people don't like you.

I "refer to you personally" a grand total of zero times in that excerpt (and in the entire post). What I did here was speak in second person when describing the nature of GNSF taking anti-Spurs media comments too personally whilst drinking silver and black Kool-Aid out of a silver and black glass in their silver and black bubble that's wallpapered in silver and black. I'd apologize for not being more clear about that, but I don't feel that's necessary as you're the only one whose reading comprehension was low enough to be insulted by that comment. Try to keep up, guy. I'm not asking much of you.

[J.T.]

You've probably figured it out by now...but Kidd K is a pretty huge got with awful takes. He's basically upstairs Spur fan in a nuts .

Seems like you know what you're talking about so I'll take your word for it braj. It's just funny because he keeps reading to far into what I'm saying. Probably one of those guys that thinks when a girl smiles at him and talks to him for more than two minutes that she wants to bang.

[Kirk Nowitzki]

This spat going on between you and I right now has nothing to do with basketball takes and how much someone knows about the sport. At this point it's essentially about your absolute lack of reading comprehension and your inability to accept the fact that a lot of Spurs fans, particularly the oversensitive variety that posts upstairs, take anti-Spurs media analysis extremely personally, whether or not said anti-Spurs media analysis is grounded in fact or fiction. It's not a given for the entire fanbase, but it happens enough to be a trend... You know, like black people dealing cocaine or Mexican women being fat.

That being said, I don't know how the pejorative nature of the "oversensitive " monicker I bestowed upon Spurs fans who take anti-Spurs media analysis too personally hurts the point I'm making at all. It's true and backs up what Simmons said in his tweet. That's all I was trying to point out and I'm absolutely confident that I succeeded in getting that point across. I agree that post count generally just means someone has nothing better to do and posts a lot. But what I said in my previous post remains no less true. I've seen enough threads get made upstairs and in here by Spurs fans crying about anti-Spurs media comments. It's not your fault that you haven't been here long enough to properly digest the frequency at which that happens, but that's not an excuse to act like it doesn't happen as frequently as it does.



Lastly, I think it's funny that you called me out for strawmanning when I wasn't doing it and then immediately turned around and did it yourself. You absolutely took what I said out of context. Here's the entire context just for the sake of pointing this out to you:



I "refer to you personally" a grand total of zero times in that excerpt (and in the entire post). What I did here was speak in second person when describing the nature of GNSF taking anti-Spurs media comments too personally whilst drinking silver and black Kool-Aid out of a silver and black glass in their silver and black bubble that's wallpapered in silver and black. I'd apologize for not being more clear about that, but I don't feel that's necessary as you're the only one whose reading comprehension was low enough to be insulted by that comment. Try to keep up, guy. I'm not asking much of you.

[Bill_Brasky]

Kidd K fails on so many levels.

[AaronY]

J.T. droppin troof nukes

mushroom clouds comin out of this tred and

[J.T.]

J.T. droppin troof nukes

mushroom clouds comin out of this tred and

Not only are most Spurs fans here oversensitive es, they're also in denial about being oversensitive es. I'm as big a homer as the next fan for any of the teams that I like. Everybody wants their team to win and thinks that haters are the bad guys. But you can't just ignore common sense because your world revolves around the teams you like.

[Kidd K]

This spat going on between you and I right now has nothing to do with basketball takes and how much someone knows about the sport. At this point it's essentially about your absolute lack of reading comprehension and your inability to accept the fact that a lot of Spurs fans, particularly the oversensitive variety that posts upstairs, take anti-Spurs media analysis extremely personally, whether or not said anti-Spurs media analysis is grounded in fact or fiction. It's not a given for the entire fanbase, but it happens enough to be a trend... You know, like black people dealing cocaine or Mexican women being fat.

That being said, I don't know how the pejorative nature of the "oversensitive " monicker I bestowed upon Spurs fans who take anti-Spurs media analysis too personally hurts the point I'm making at all. It's true and backs up what Simmons said in his tweet. That's all I was trying to point out and I'm absolutely confident that I succeeded in getting that point across. I agree that post count generally just means someone has nothing better to do and posts a lot. But what I said in my previous post remains no less true. I've seen enough threads get made upstairs and in here by Spurs fans crying about anti-Spurs media comments. It's not your fault that you haven't been here long enough to properly digest the frequency at which that happens, but that's not an excuse to act like it doesn't happen as frequently as it does.



Lastly, I think it's funny that you called me out for strawmanning when I wasn't doing it and then immediately turned around and did it yourself. You absolutely took what I said out of context. Here's the entire context just for the sake of pointing this out to you:



I "refer to you personally" a grand total of zero times in that excerpt (and in the entire post). What I did here was speak in second person when describing the nature of GNSF taking anti-Spurs media comments too personally whilst drinking silver and black Kool-Aid out of a silver and black glass in their silver and black bubble that's wallpapered in silver and black. I'd apologize for not being more clear about that, but I don't feel that's necessary as you're the only one whose reading comprehension was low enough to be insulted by that comment. Try to keep up, guy. I'm not asking much of you.

It has everything to do with basketball takes no matter how much you desire to devolve Spurfans' complaints into a convienient strawman to cry about in atypical internet troll fashion. There are always gots in every fanbase. Nobody debates that and you're just trying to cloud the argument. "Some" is not "all", nor is it "most".

Onto the actual argument: Nearly half of ESPN's analysts picked the Grizzlies, yet barely anyone's talking about them negatively. It's almost solely Bill Simmons because he not only picked wrong, but continues to make excuses for why he was wrong. . .insisting that flukes are the only reason he could have been wrong, not that he just misperceived it.

Apparently you cannot grasp this simple concept though, and instead insist on strawmanning a significant portion of the Spurs' fanbase instead since that's easier and lazier to do. You don't seem to understand what strawmanning is either (no surprise considering you're a long-time Spurstalk poster). I quoted you directly in context, which is not strawmanning. Learn to speak better English if you don't want your words to be mistaken. Your entire argument on the other hand, is one big strawman argument.

Since you hugely fail at understanding what strawmanning is, I will post it's definition for you:

1. Person 1 has position X.
2. Person 2 disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially similar position Y. The position Y is a distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including:

Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position

Inventing a fic ious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.

Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.

In other words, exactly what you're doing. Ignoring my point that Spurfans are annoyed that Simmons keeps making excuses for his ty takes being wrong, and not that he makes them in the first place (as many others have picked against the Spurs and barely anyone's talking about them).

Then you just post a made up position that Spurfans are just "oversensitive es who take anti-Spurs analysis extremeley personally whether or not said analysis is based on fact or fiction". Entirely ignoring the point I made to begin with, replacing it with an oversimplified ty strawman to argue against.

You barely have a leg to stand on. And it's a straw leg at that. Keep up? I've already passed you up and this is my second lap.

[J.T.]

I'm ignoring your comments about Simmons making excuses for his picks because I don't give a about his picks, his basketball takes and whether or not he's full of . I came into this thread to agree with him that Spurs fans get all pissed off at you when you don't say nice things about the team or pick against them in a playoff series. Surely his Twitter got blown up by Spurs fans talking to him when he made his pick. And have you seen some of the things that get posted on Twitter, YouTube comments and other places like that? Not exactly a breeding ground for intellectual discussion. I'm sure some fans had legitimate gripes with him because they didn't agree with his takes. But I'm just as sure that he got a lot of comments from oversensitive es too. That's just how it goes. So for all this that you keep throwing in my face about how all Spurs fans aren't oversensitive es (something I never said, just that a lot of the Spurs fans who post upstairs are like that), I'm sure all people hating on Simmons right now don't simply just disagree with his take or dislike that he's making excuses. So now that we've got that out of the way, more on making you look like an idiot.

Here's the first definition of a strawman argument, straight from your post so you won't have any disagreement with it:

Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position

You accused me of strawmanning because you misinterpreted damn near everything I've ing said in this thread. Happens to a lot of people so I'm not going to blame you for being a dip who's apparently new to talking to people on the Internet. I'd have to misrepresent your position to strawman against you and the only discussion I've been perpetuating in this thread is that Simmons is right because Spurs fans tend to be oversensitive es when it comes to anti-Spurs media analysis. All I did was make that point and stand by it. I didn't even address your position that Spurs fans were hating on Simmons because they think his recent takes are bad and he's making excuses until this post, so I couldn't possibly have strawmanned you at the point you accused me of doing it. Them's just the facts, sonny boy.

Furthermore, the point at which you accuse me of strawmanning, you grossly misinterpreted the post in which you accused me of doing it. You said I personally addressed you three times in one sentence, but in that sentence I was still speaking on the nature of Spurs fans to be oversensitive es. Once again, the excerpt from my post:

GNSF needs to stop being an oversensitive . Not many people like the Spurs outside of San Antonio. When you go out into the world and mingle with other folks, like, oh, I dunno, the fans and media representatives of 29 other teams, you're going to find out people don't like you.

None of that is addressed at you. Not a single ing part of it. Once again, all I'm pointing out is the tendency of Spurs fans to be oversensitive es and overreact to anti-Spurs media analysis by taking it too personally. Somehow you read that, interpreted it as me saying YOU hate Simmons and then responded to me by saying that I said you said you hate Simmons. Which I didn't. Based on the definition you dug up, you strawmanned me. Your comment on Simmons making bad predictions and following them up with excuses is duly noted, but don't you dare try to act like every Spurs fan who responded to him even read his analysis before they responded. And I didn't insinuate that the oversensitive variety of Spurs fan was even close to qualifying as "all" or "most" of them. Like I said in my last post:

It's not a given for the entire fanbase, but it happens enough to be a trend... You know, like black people dealing cocaine or Mexican women being fat.

My advice is lay off trying to pull an argument out of your ass to try and earn more SpursTalk cred. You're obviously new here and from your arguing tactics pretty young too. If you apply yourself and stop connecting the wrong dots like you have so egregiously done in this thread, you could actually turn into a decent poster. It's like you're actively trying to be a dip .

[Kidd K]

I'm ignoring your comments about Simmons making excuses for his picks because I don't give a about his picks, his basketball takes and whether or not he's full of . I came into this thread to agree with him that Spurs fans get all pissed off at you when you don't say nice things about the team or pick against them in a playoff series. Surely his Twitter got blown up by Spurs fans talking to him when he made his pick. And have you seen some of the things that get posted on Twitter, YouTube comments and other places like that? Not exactly a breeding ground for intellectual discussion. I'm sure some fans had legitimate gripes with him because they didn't agree with his takes. But I'm just as sure that he got a lot of comments from oversensitive es too. That's just how it goes. So for all this that you keep throwing in my face about how all Spurs fans aren't oversensitive es (something I never said, just that a lot of the Spurs fans who post upstairs are like that), I'm sure all people hating on Simmons right now don't simply just disagree with his take or dislike that he's making excuses. So now that we've got that out of the way, more on making you look like an idiot.

Here's the first definition of a strawman argument, straight from your post so you won't have any disagreement with it:



You accused me of strawmanning because you misinterpreted damn near everything I've ing said in this thread. Happens to a lot of people so I'm not going to blame you for being a dip who's apparently new to talking to people on the Internet. I'd have to misrepresent your position to strawman against you and the only discussion I've been perpetuating in this thread is that Simmons is right because Spurs fans tend to be oversensitive es when it comes to anti-Spurs media analysis. All I did was make that point and stand by it. I didn't even address your position that Spurs fans were hating on Simmons because they think his recent takes are bad and he's making excuses until this post, so I couldn't possibly have strawmanned you at the point you accused me of doing it. Them's just the facts, sonny boy.

Furthermore, the point at which you accuse me of strawmanning, you grossly misinterpreted the post in which you accused me of doing it. You said I personally addressed you three times in one sentence, but in that sentence I was still speaking on the nature of Spurs fans to be oversensitive es. Once again, the excerpt from my post:



None of that is addressed at you. Not a single ing part of it. Once again, all I'm pointing out is the tendency of Spurs fans to be oversensitive es and overreact to anti-Spurs media analysis by taking it too personally. Somehow you read that, interpreted it as me saying YOU hate Simmons and then responded to me by saying that I said you said you hate Simmons. Which I didn't. Based on the definition you dug up, you strawmanned me. Your comment on Simmons making bad predictions and following them up with excuses is duly noted, but don't you dare try to act like every Spurs fan who responded to him even read his analysis before they responded. And I didn't insinuate that the oversensitive variety of Spurs fan was even close to qualifying as "all" or "most" of them. Like I said in my last post:



My advice is lay off trying to pull an argument out of your ass to try and earn more SpursTalk cred. You're obviously new here and from your arguing tactics pretty young too. If you apply yourself and stop connecting the wrong dots like you have so egregiously done in this thread, you could actually turn into a decent poster. It's like you're actively trying to be a dip .

Simmons' terrible takes (with lack of logic to them) and excuses for being wrong are why fans have made fun of him for being wrong. You ignoring that proves my point about your strawmanning and ignorace. It's the key point that can't be ignored, but that's exactly what you're doing.

I haven't misinterpretted a single thing you've said. I'm just calling it what it is. Your whole argument is a strawman, and you actively ignore my point to redundantly keep spewing about how so many Spurfans are overly sensitive.

You're on a Spurs team forum. It will be loaded with diehard Spursfans, calm Spurfans, ty Spurfans, and overly sensitive Spurfans. Go to any team forum, you will see many crybabies. The presence of crybabies on this forum does not reinforce or prove your terrible point that Spurfans didn't have a legit beef with Simmons in this particular scenerio.

Your refusal to acknowledge that and refusal to even continue speaking about it doesn't change the fact that it's the main reason they've said as many negative things about him as they have. Like I said, many other sports personalities picked against the Spurs in both series, and none of them are being targeted for insults, its mainly just Simmons. If you don't want to acknowledge that, then I'm done arguing with you about it. You're like a baby with your inability to process new information.

Spurstalk cred? Am I supposed to give a about that? I couldn't care less if the ty posters on here agree with me or not. I don't post for their approval. Lastly, you aren't a very good debator yourself, so your opinions on my "arguing tactics" don't mean anything.

[J.T.]

Whatever, dude. You're apparently going to keep coming back for more because you're a dip little got who doesn't even know what we're talking about anymore. You disagree with Simmons's takes. You don't like that he's making excuses to cover his ass. I get it.

I'm sure he got some from Spurs fans on Twitter because he made a ty take. That doesn't mean ALL Spurs fans think his takes are full of or dislike that he's making excuses to cover his ass and chose to give him for it, just like what I've been saying doesn't mean ALL Spurs fans are oversensitive es. I don't see how this is so hard for you to understand. If anything, the point that you are so vehemently defending is the one that's made of straw. I'm not even questioning your point. I'm ignoring it because it has no relevance to what I'm talking about. I'm just explaining my position to you... that's actually all I've been doing. You're the one that's getting so butthurt that I'm ignoring your own over- ing-valued opinion that you perpetuated this worthless argument around. Then you played the predictable "I'll just say he strawmmaned me!" card that every forum noob in the history of forums has played when someone makes them look bad in a discussion to try and devalue my point. You like accusing people of strawmanning?

The presence of crybabies on this forum does not reinforce or prove your terrible point that Spurfans didn't have a legit beef with Simmons in this particular scenerio.

There's your strawman statement you stupid ing got. Stay in school.

I give zero s about anything you're trying to say here. Zero. You misinterpreted a previous post of mine as a direct personal attack against you as a strawman in an argument that I wasn't even making. You're an idiot of the highest ing degree and no wonder several people in this thread have either laughed at you or said your takes are full of . I'm making two points in this thread. The first one is that Simmons is right because Spurs fans tend to be oversensitive es. It's the truth and we could be on a ing Milwaukee Bucks forum for all I care, wouldn't make it less true. And two, you're a ing dip who has no common sense and uses generalizations to drive his own points off a ing cliff.

All you've done is move the goal posts and try to put words in my mouth any time I've flayed you. You're almost as bad at this as Avante, and that's about the furthest thing from a compliment I can give your got ass.

[Brodie Bruce]

Kidd K wouldn't know a Strawman if it kicked him in the