you dumbness has gone farther than ever before ..lol
OK, you tell me.
Why does anyone stay in a job, working 70+ hrs a week at an effective pay of maybe $12/hr?
That's ing stupid, unless you love the job, so stop with this en lement idea.
Apparently, supply and demand has no problem filling the positions, so shut your silly entailment mentality up...
If all were to adhere to that unspeakably re ed narrative, we would have no teachers. Holy . You actually get dumber the longer you post on a topic. Unbelievable.
No, you simply are too stupid to try to accept my viewpoint.
Which ing viewpoint? The one where teachers are incompetent? Or the one where they're stupid?
You are simply too stupid to put forth a viewpoint that makes any sense whatsoever.
Well it's either everyone is too stupid to accept your viewpoint --no one does, not even our neocons-- or the more likely case of you being the moron. We have to further this claim the litany of stupidity and failed reasoning that has been on display since you have joined us.
lolwut?
I think I am an expert because I have the technical expertise and education to understand the material that I find at that link, you goober.
And it is "holier than thou"
Prove teachers are over-compensated.
Supporting data, and definitions. Your claim, your burden of proof.
Bull has been called. Can you walk the walk, or are you gonna run away from this one?
EDIT
This is about the fourth time I have tried to get Wild Goober to back his up.
No nice. I will just assume he has run away from this. Probably a good call on his part.
Link?
You will have to pardon me if I have the temerity to doubt your intepretation of "fact".
Link or GTFO.
It's a fact, RG. A FACT.
Prove teachers are over-compensated.
Supporting data, and definitions. Your claim, your burden of proof.
Bull has been called. Can you walk the walk, or are you gonna run away from this one?
EDIT
This is about the fourth time I have tried to get Wild Goober to back his up.
No nice. I will just assume he has run away from this. Probably a good call on his part.
The high cost of teacher turnover would imply that not many of them find the salary all that compelling.
Most first year teachers have higher "dropout" rates than their students and aren't teaching in the same school 4 years later, and many just aren't even staying in the profession.
http://nctaf.org/wp-content/uploads/...licy-brief.pdf
We could save money by paying them more.
Suck on that.
Economically that implies they are underpaid for their level of education.
Obviously, the best solution is to save money for the taxpayers, and abolish all public education. This way we can cut the deficit and lazy no good parents will be responsible for having an active role in the childrens' education. I see no downside to this solution. [/WC]
Teachers in Austin ISD start at around half that.
I guess my point is in other jobs you have to be willfully negligent to be charged with a crime on the job...in teaching, all you have to do is not be an 'active observer' while the kids are taking a test...
...and we can finally teach the bible in school again...hallelujah
WC is willfully ignorant on this topic, but he does cut on an important point....we need a way to reward good teachers and keep them in the classroom....teaching is a calling because it takes a load of patience to deal with challenging kids, not because they should work for a fraction of what they would earn in the private sector..
A veteran teacher shares her story...
“This year alone, I have been a helpless witness as half a dozen dedicated, hardworking teachers were reduced to tears, shame and desperation because an administrator decided they disliked them for some arbitrary reason,” Rubenstein said. “These devoted employees were handed concern forms filled with false accusations and no opportunity for discussion was provided. They then received a less-than-glowing evaluation with no recourse or opportunity for appeal or dialogue — they were told their contracts were not being renewed.”
LOL...
You guys get so worked up so easy.
Seriously, if teaching pays so poorly, why are people spending the many for college to work such ty wages?
Maybe things are different in other states, but teachers here in Oregon are well compensated. i think you're all lying about the hours and pay. Every teacher i know, when working extra hours as a coach, or other stuff, gets extra pay as well. Then there's this:
Bureau of Labor Statistics link: Teachers’ work patterns: when, where,
and how much do U.S. teachers work?
So excuse me for calling you guys morons, incompetent, etc... But if the shoe fits...
If you are in cities or jobs that do work you that 70+ hrs a week, it is not normal. i suggest moving to a different city.
My god you are an idiot.
Teachers are not paid by the hour you moron! That is a fact!
My wife , as incompetent and stupid she is, has taught for over 20 yrs you dumbass! I know how teachers are paid!
Perhaps they don't place money as the #1 compensating factor in choosing their profession. After all, not all of us can follow the golden pathway of Union Parts Changing.
Jeez, take off your troll hat for a second and see if you can actually prove that teachers are overpaid.
It is a commonly held idea in many people's head, and if you want to parrot it, the least you can do is see if the evidence, fairly looked at, supports it.
Would it really kill you to change your mind or base your opinion on good evidence for this particular thing?
That would be awesome, thank you. I would prefer to know for sure, so that I can have as realistic and comprehensive grasp on it as I can. Better information = better decisions.
It may not be MY state's ERS, but all states pretty much have similar systems, and it is a huge potential liability collectively in the US. More than many would guess at.
People get worked up when someone with a room temperature IQ starts slinging at them. Teaching is an important job that must be done. Some might describe it as a calling.
That study is so full of caveats, only a small mind would consider that representative of anything other than an analysis of extremely broad characteristics. And just how many Teachers do you know? Having actually taught (something you know absolutely nothing about) for 10 years, I'd say I know a ton more of them and my data set is probably several orders of magnitude higher quality than whatever you've got tucked away in that bovine sensorium of yours.
It doesn't. It's already been demonstrated that you are, once again, completely full of and unable to back up your asinine notions of teachers being overpaid. You're a clueless coward. It's ok. We all know it.
I suggest you climb a wall of s.
He may tumble down on purpose tbh.
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