NBA: All NBA 1st team

[Arcadian]

Timmy

[Mel_13]

Kobe can't win for losing. He chucks up a lot of shots and his team loses, then he's a selfish player who doesn't make his teammates better. He shares the ball and racks a bunch of assists and they lose, he's old and washed up and can't take over a game anymore. No matter what happens, as long as the Lakers are losing, Kobe critics will twist it so that the blame falls squared on Kobe, right or wrong. Yes, the Lakers struggled this year and against a high degree of scrutiny because of what the expectations were with their acquisitions of Howard and Nash. But the fact remains that Kobe was still playing his tail off and still maintaining an elite level of play, particularly at his age, despite what his teammates were or weren't doing to help him. It's ridiculous to say he put up meaningless stats. Often times, he was the only one on his team actually giving a and putting in the appropriate level of effort to try to win games. Can he be a detriment at times when he feels he has to take over and shoot all the time? Absolutely. At times. But tell me the Lakers would have done better without Kobe and I know you're just full of it trying to discredit the guy out of hate or spite.

If basketball is a team sport, then winning and losing ultimately is a team accomplishment or failure and cannot be put on the shoulders of one player even if they are the franchise guy. When the Spurs win, it's not just Tim Duncan. It's not just Tony Parker. It's not just Ginobili. If they lose, vice versa.

Kobe deserved 1st team honors. Did Parker deserve it? Yeah, I'd say he deserved it too. But it's no travesty that Kobe got it over him. And it wasn't a lifetime achievement award. He earned it this year. Unlike the countless defensive honors he bogusly took, his all NBA first team selections are legit, this season included.

I won't take issue with any of the points you make here, but you have to realize that the Kobe critics are so eager to blame him for team failures precisely because his supporters, and his PR machine, are so eager to give him all the credit for team successes.

[DeadlyDynasty]

As expected, spurfan can't leave well enough alone

[ElNono]

I won't take issue with any of the points you make here, but you have to realize that the Kobe critics are so eager to blame him for team failures precisely because his supporters, and his PR machine, are so eager to give him all the credit for team successes.

Pretty much. Without Gasol posting crazy good numbers to close the season, they don't even make the playoffs. Does he make this All NBA 1st team in that case?

I like Jammie, but he also glossed over one other important factor, which HH subtly brought up in another post in this thread: Kobe was largely to blame for LA defensive struggles, which was the number one reason his team struggled overall.

You could make the argument that his offense warranted a place in the 2nd or 3rd team... and I would probably be ok with that.

[Phillip]

Part of an Individual is his ability to POSITIVELY impact a team. Kobe is not even close, and by not even close, He's atrocious compared to Parker.

Obviously Kobe must be pretty good at leading teams, considering he has 5 rings.

[Phillip]

Kobe can't win for losing. He chucks up a lot of shots and his team loses, then he's a selfish player who doesn't make his teammates better. He shares the ball and racks a bunch of assists and they lose, he's old and washed up and can't take over a game anymore. No matter what happens, as long as the Lakers are losing, Kobe critics will twist it so that the blame falls squared on Kobe, right or wrong. Yes, the Lakers struggled this year and against a high degree of scrutiny because of what the expectations were with their acquisitions of Howard and Nash. But the fact remains that Kobe was still playing his tail off and still maintaining an elite level of play, particularly at his age, despite what his teammates were or weren't doing to help him. It's ridiculous to say he put up meaningless stats. Often times, he was the only one on his team actually giving a and putting in the appropriate level of effort to try to win games. Can he be a detriment at times when he feels he has to take over and shoot all the time? Absolutely. At times. But tell me the Lakers would have done better without Kobe and I know you're just full of it trying to discredit the guy out of hate or spite.

If basketball is a team sport, then winning and losing ultimately is a team accomplishment or failure and cannot be put on the shoulders of one player even if they are the franchise guy. When the Spurs win, it's not just Tim Duncan. It's not just Tony Parker. It's not just Ginobili. If they lose, vice versa.

Kobe deserved 1st team honors. Did Parker deserve it? Yeah, I'd say he deserved it too. But it's no travesty that Kobe got it over him. And it wasn't a lifetime achievement award. He earned it this year. Unlike the countless defensive honors he bogusly took, his all NBA first team selections are legit, this season included.

spurfans just never want to give kobe any sort of credit. ever

[Kidd K]

spurfans just never want to give kobe any sort of credit. ever

Most non-Laker fans on Kobe tbh. Every basketball forum I've been to has tons of people ting on Kobe. I don't agree with all the negative posts, but there's definitely a lot. . .and its everywhere.

[Phillip]

Most non-Laker fans on Kobe tbh. Every basketball forum I've been to has tons of people ting on Kobe. I don't agree with all the negative posts, but there's definitely a lot. . .and its everywhere.

[ElNono]

Kobe is an amazing talent, especially at his age, but the real question for this award is: was he a top-two guard in the league this season? (two not as in the position, but in rank)

I just can't agree with that this season. Paul without a question was better. Westbrook, Harden were overall better too, IMO. Wade was hurt a bit, so that probably makes his stock go down somewhat. Curry upped his game considerably when the playoffs rolled around, even playing in one ankle.

He was probably top 6... maybe top 4...

[Kidd K]

Sorry to hear that you being told about reality makes you cry so much Phillip.

[FkLA]

lol David 'worst interior defender in the NBA' Lee

lol Kobe will never be 1st team at 37 yrs old

[jeebus]

I just can't agree with that this season. Paul without a question was better. Westbrook, Harden were overall better too, IMO. Wade was hurt a bit, so that probably makes his stock go down somewhat. Curry upped his game considerably when the playoffs rolled around, even playing in one ankle.

tbh it's a regular season award, so what Curry did in the playoffs have no impact. this was pretty much kirby's swan song since it's a super longshot that he'll be able to produce like this again after his achiLOLes injury. the first team selection is debatable but I don't care about it. Lakers got swept out of the first round, there's no reason for me to be angry about the selection.

[100%duncan]

But Spurs fans go kicking and screaming about how both Ginobili and Parker are future Hall of Famers.

SMH @ using the all NBA teams to discredit David Robinson, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili only to prop up Duncan more than he already is as the accepted best PF in the history of the game, and then in other conversations yelling about how both Ginobili and Paker are HOFers.

lot of Spurs fans are insecure bout dat tbh fwiw

[ElNono]

tbh it's a regular season award, so what Curry did in the playoffs have no impact.

fair enough

[dallasmaverickslose]

Don't understand how Ime Udoka didn't make any of these teams. SMH...

[namlook]

Too bad basketball isn't an individual sport. Someone should tell Kobe.

LMAO @ telling the guy with five rings basketball isn't an individual sport.

[Pelicans78]

I know people want to hate Kobe just to hate Kobe, but he actually does deserve 1st team.

Despite his team struggling most of the season, he still had a really great individual season. Getting all NBA defensive honors would be a joke. But getting 1st team all NBA makes sense.

He didn't deserve first team over Harden.

[Pelicans78]

Gasol should have made first team over Duncan. Both had similar seasons yet Gasol played 11 more games. These writers are a joke.

[rmt]

Gasol should have made first team over Duncan. Both had similar seasons yet Gasol played 11 more games. These writers are a joke.

Duncan 17.8 pts / 9.9 rebs / 2.7 asst / 2.6 blks 50.2%FG in 30.1 mins
Gasol 14.1 pts / 7.8 rebs / 4 asst / 1.7 blks 49.4%FG in 35 mins

[Killakobe81]

I know people want to hate Kobe just to hate Kobe, but he actually does deserve 1st team.

Despite his team struggling most of the season, he still had a really great individual season. Getting all NBA defensive honors would be a joke. But getting 1st team all NBA makes sense.

Achilles was deserving ...especially with Wade, Parker and Harden fading late ... due to fatigue or injury. Achilles finished strong before the rupture ...

Duncan was actually deserving tbh ...more so of this than DPOY tbh ...

[Killakobe81]

Kobe can't win for losing. He chucks up a lot of shots and his team loses, then he's a selfish player who doesn't make his teammates better. He shares the ball and racks a bunch of assists and they lose, he's old and washed up and can't take over a game anymore. No matter what happens, as long as the Lakers are losing, Kobe critics will twist it so that the blame falls squared on Kobe, right or wrong. Yes, the Lakers struggled this year and against a high degree of scrutiny because of what the expectations were with their acquisitions of Howard and Nash. But the fact remains that Kobe was still playing his tail off and still maintaining an elite level of play, particularly at his age, despite what his teammates were or weren't doing to help him. It's ridiculous to say he put up meaningless stats. Often times, he was the only one on his team actually giving a and putting in the appropriate level of effort to try to win games. Can he be a detriment at times when he feels he has to take over and shoot all the time? Absolutely. At times. But tell me the Lakers would have done better without Kobe and I know you're just full of it trying to discredit the guy out of hate or spite.

If basketball is a team sport, then winning and losing ultimately is a team accomplishment or failure and cannot be put on the shoulders of one player even if they are the franchise guy. When the Spurs win, it's not just Tim Duncan. It's not just Tony Parker. It's not just Ginobili. If they lose, vice versa.

Kobe deserved 1st team honors. Did Parker deserve it? Yeah, I'd say he deserved it too. But it's no travesty that Kobe got it over him. And it wasn't a lifetime achievement award. He earned it this year. Unlike the countless defensive honors he bogusly took, his all NBA first team selections are legit, this season included.

This.

[Killakobe81]

Kobe didn't deserve it at all. Dude had great numbers on the surface, but check out the guy's usage rate. Also, more importantly, look at how a team with all of that talent did. And don't get it twisted, Howard should be the best big man and has been the best big man in the league for a few years now, but he was constrained by the cancer that is Kobe Bryant. Howard got an Orlando team to the NBA finals with very little help. Kobe Bryant has always needed substantially more talent than the rest of the league to win les. Any way you slice it... if you want efficiency/numbers, there are better players, if you want a combination of team success and numbers, there are better players to choose as well, obviously. His selection, like his all-defensive teams of the last 8 or so years, have came on his heavily-marketed name alone.

Losing.

[JamStone]

That's the thing, there are players with better numbers AND better team success(Westbrook, Parker). See my above post for further reasoning.

Both had better team success. Westbrook did not have better numbers. And it's only arguable that Parker had better numbers. I could easily argue Kobe had better numbers than Parker. Either way, I wouldn't have made any argument if Tony Parker were on the 1st team and Kobe on the 2nd team. But for me, I don't find it wrong the other way either. Parker is really the only guy who has an argument over Kobe. The Westbrook, Harden, Curry , Wade arguments are silly.

[jeebus]

Parker definitely would've made it if he had not been injured; dude was a top 3 MVP candidate before that. And on an unrelated note, if Westbrick had been injured during the regular season, one might assume Durant would've fallen out of MVP/1st team discussion based on the cliff he fell off of in the playoffs.

[JamStone]

If you believe adjusted efficiency and PER are the best statistical measures, your next post should discuss the merits of how Brook Lopez should have been the first team all NBA center over Tim Duncan.

Ready? Go.