Born: Mar 17, 1991
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Last edited by Bruno; 05-30-2013 at 05:26 PM.
Houston Rockets plan to trade Thomas Robinson to free up cap space for run at Dwight Howard
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--houston-rockets-trying-to-trade-thomas-robinson-to-free-up-cap-space-for-run-at-dwight-howard-215915027.html
This is something maybe the Spurs could get in on? We have cap space this offseason, so we can give them a TPE and draft picks if necessary.
I thought Robinson looked average this season, but I think in the Spurs system he would flourish in the Spurs pick n roll system. I don't know if the Rockets would want to do a trade with a division rival, but a not fully guaranteed contract like Matt Bonner, a player the Rockets were trying to go after a few years (De Colo), and possibly a future first round draft pick would be a fair trade.
Robinson+#34 for Bonner sounds good.
I'm up for a trade, if one can be worked out. Good prospect. But trade would have to increase Rockets salary cap space. I don't think Bonner straight up would accomplish that.
It would be a salary dump. The Rockets would waive Bonner and only have to pay him 1 million. The move would cut over 2.5 million of salary.
Bonner only counts for $1m towards the cap though, right? So he can be used for cap space. I'm sure Bruno can explain this better.
Last edited by Anonymous Cowherd; 05-30-2013 at 06:26 PM.
That's Houston likely cap situation:
Harden: $13.7M
Asik: $8.4M
Lin: $8.4M
Robinson: $3.5M
White: $1.7M
Jones: $1.6M
Motiejunas: $1.4M
Parsons: $0.9M
Smith: $0.9M
Beverley: $0.8M
Honeycutt*: $0.1M
2 cap fold: $1.0M
Total: $42.4M
With a $60M cap, they have $17.6M in cap space.
With a $62M cap, they have $19.6M in cap space.
Howard max salary is $20.5M.
Houston can save $0.4M by cutting Smith, they can save $0.6M by using the stretch provision on White. A Robinson for Bonner trade, will create $2M in cap space for them.
From Houston's POV is there any benefit to trading T-Rob for Bonner's waivable contract and a pick, rather than simply trading him for the highest pick they can acquire on its own?
Getting Howard is the ultimate goal so it doesn't really matter how they go about it. They will shed the necessary salary by whatever means necessary. I don't know many teams that will burn 3.5 million in cap space to take him...much less send a pick back.
The key is how Robinson is valued around the league. To me, he has a negative trade value: he has had a bad rookie year and has a big contract.
Agreed. With the new cap rules there are very few teams that would take a chance on him for the money he's getting. For the Spurs it works because it's basically a lateral move salary-wise next season and they can decide not to pick up his option for the following season if it seems like he's not going to pan out.
Robinson doesnt seem like a good player
physically dominated weaker compe ion and has been shown to have no actual basketball skills when hes matched up vs guys with his size or more since hes a PF
but anything to get Bonner off the team is a + for me
if they get Howard they would probably be trying to get rid of Asik too
Spurs dont have the assets Houston would want but if there was even a small chance i would go for him
but he does actually remind me a lot of JJ Hickson who was trash on the Kings
and went on to being a double double machine and one of the best rebounders in the NBA after leaving
Last edited by freetiago; 05-30-2013 at 07:15 PM.
+ its da spurs
The first question for us is, Is Robinson worth bringing in. We know he came from a solid college program, Kansas. Runner up in NCAA tournament. #2 rebounder in NCAA and #1 defensive rebounder. He has size and ability plus he can be taught a lot by our staff. Looking at what we have for next season, cap space, and a need for a big man to replace Bonner and Blair. We resign Splitter and Manu for reasonable contracts. We will have room to take Robinsons contract. I dont think we need to even send Bonner to Houston. They are looking for salary dump for Howard. If we offer a second round pick and Lorbek's contract, it would fit their desire for dumping the salary and still get a pick in return. If it becomes a problem, I say offer a protected 1st round 2015 pick. I think Robinson could grow into a solid player in the Spurs system. A #5 pick for a second round pick and Lorbek contract or even the first round would be worth it.
Sadly he didn't play a lot with the Rockets, I think he can improve.
He averaged only 13 minutes with the Rockets, but per 36 he had 12.5 Pts - 11.2 Reb - 2.3 Stl. NOT BAD!
Bads: Bad jumpshot and FT shooter. Can the Spurs fix that? The Spurs need some Off. Reb.and putbacks.
I'm interested.
Honestly, this is the type of move I'd like to see the Spurs make this off-season. I'd rather them re-sign all their players and try to trade and/use the MLE to fill the gaps. This team doesn't really need much, and if they trade for Robinson, bring over Bertans and sign a vet to back up Leonard, I think that would make a good off-season.
That being said, I can't imagine the Spurs paying that much for a player unless they intend to use him in the rotation. So the question is where he'd fit. Would he be the back up center and play next to Diaw, or would he be able to develop into the starting power-forward to play next to Duncan? I think some time in Austin could do him some good, but that's a lot of money to pay for a multi-year project.
Robinson got into two bad situations in his rookie year. Played in a selfish Kings squad that had every team member wanting shots for himself. And then got traded to a Rockets team that was structured on floor spacing and perimeter play requiring him to play stretch-forward which is not him.
Robinson's ceiling is a good role player in the future who can defend the post, rebound and bang inside. Certainly worth trying a trade with the Rockets by exchanging him for Bonner.
#5 pick to Spurs for Bonner. I`d take it.
I'd definitely do Bonner for Robinson straight up. At worst, the Spurs could decline Robinson's option next summer and let him go. The #34 pick would be a bonus.
[Preface: I'm not advocating for this]. How does the new CBA impact a teams ability to resign a recently waived player, which it traded to another team? e.g., Spurs trade Bonner to Houston, Houston waives him, and Spurs attempt to resign.
Full year iirc.
If it only takes Bon-Bon, I am all in. Guy has huge potential, good body but need veteran leadership. I want him.
Indeed, Benefactor is correct. From the CBA FAQ:
The Spurs could trade Bonner during the draft, then trade for him again in July, but that's just a silly scenario to consider, as the Spurs could just agree to take Robinson for an exception after the moratorium.team cannot reacquire a player they traded away during that season (a season being July 1 - June 30). If he is waived by his new team, then he cannot re-sign with his original team until the one-year anniversary of the trade, or until the July 1 following the end of his contract, whichever comes first. However, if a team trades a player's draft rights, they can reacquire the player during the same season.
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