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Manu's not signing for the veteran minimum.
2 years, $9 million (like you said) would be nice, but I think he'll get somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 years, $13 million.
Spurs guard Manu Ginobili’s contract expires at the end of the season. He will be 36 years old next month. Numbers-wise, he is coming off one of the least productive seasons of his NBA career. He is shooting 38.3 percent in the playoffs.
Put all of the above together, and it is natural to ask: Win or lose, could the upcoming NBA Finals mark the last ride for one of the most beloved players in the Spurs history?
Ginobili answered in no uncertain terms Friday.
“I’m not planning on retiring,” Ginobili told the Express-News.
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FWIW, upon the report, rotoworld.com says this about Ginobili's future.
The Spurs probably want Manu back for one more year, but he's going to take a massive pay cut off the $14.1 million he earned in 2012-13. A veteran's minimum deal would be fair.
Yes, he'll slash his salary, but for the vets min? Please. That would put his cap figure under 1.4 million. Heck, if it happens, I'll be happy as anybody, but I'm expecting something like 2 years 9 million with the 2nd year being a player option. Basically what Boris got last year. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he got more than that since it will be such a short term contract it won't be some albatross weighing us down
Manu's not signing for the veteran minimum.
2 years, $9 million (like you said) would be nice, but I think he'll get somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 years, $13 million.
No way the most popular player in the team signs for the veteran minimum.
yeah, i added that point for humor. while rotoworld is pretty solid as far as bringing up to date news, their own takes they give (ironically, written in blue font) can often be pretty ty.
although to be fair its hilarious when they go ham on kendrick perkins
A vet-min deal would only count $884k if it's a one-year deal. He'd get $1.4 Million, but the league would pay the balance.
I don't think that's very likely, but the Spurs' cap situation would be completely different then. I'd want a $13M/2 deal with the second year fully non-guaranteed, but with a no-trade clause attached.
$13m/2yr would be too much in terms of what he actually produces on the court. As a sentimental contract as a thank you for his years of service I would understand it, but he hasn't played like a $7m player IMO
I agree. My pitch was something like $9m/2yr but as I said, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets more. His durability has to come into consideration as well. He's missed 22 games this year and 32 last season, while only playing 23 minutes per game these past 2 years. I fully understand his value to the team, but these things are also important when gauging monetary value in a salary cap league.
There're are two be factors in determining his salary. The first is the amount of money the team needs to carry out their plans. Sort of like with Duncan, I imagine Ginobili will agree to take whatever is left after the Spurs re-sign and acquire the players they wish to. Before anyone mentions cap holds, I understand. But everyone can agree to deals before actually signing them.
The second factor is how long Ginobili is likely to play. If he definitely feels he can player two years, then a smaller deal that's fully guaranteed would make sense. If he may only play next season, then a slightly bigger, not-fully guaranteed deal could be a nice trade chip if Ginobili retires. Giving him a no-trade clause would allow him to finish his career in San Antonio, avoiding a Pierce situation.
I think there are too many variables to have Ginobili sit and wait. It depends largely on what kind of offers Tiago is going to receive. Can we afford to sit around and wait with that cap hold while free agency begins (and we are likely to have cap room). Are free agents going to "agree to terms" and then sit and wait while we resolve the Manu situation, while in the meantime other teams are still giving them calls and offering them contracts? I don't think this situation is likely to play out. Last year we were right up against the cap, so Duncan signing wasn't under any time pressure. We knew full well we wouldn't be players in free agency. That might not be the same this year, especially if we get outbid for Tiago
Manu will retire a Spur and the franchise will make sure that happens.
With regard to upping his level of play:
a) Drive to the basket more
b) Cut down the "boneheaded" turnovers
I think if he can do those two things, his value is a no-brainer and easily justifies $5 million per.
Nobody should want him to retire. 2 years 10-14 million would still be a great contract for him.
I would not mind a TMac type role for Manu next year
I don't know if you guys saw J.R. in the playoffs this year (or any other year), but I'm very happy that the Spurs have Manu as their 6th man.
The Spurs have about 10 days when they can talk to free agents without worrying about someone taking Splitter. So there is plenty of time to set everything up without being in the rush you fear will happen. If the Spurs' plan to Ginobili is "We'll try to land some players, then keep Splitter, then give you the rest," then I think it could be tricky to have a contract set up. But more likely, the Spurs will say, "We plan to target X and Y. This is what we're going to offer them. That leaves this much for you. Does that sound good?", probably before the draft even begins. The Spurs aren't the type of team to get into a bidding war, so they'll pretty much have the finances of each scenario mapped out. If the Spurs fail to nab any of their targets, I imagine Ginobili will get a bigger deal, but that should affect anything at that point.
I'm one who doesn't want the Spurs to go under the cap. I think they should use Bonner as a trade piece, re-sign Splitter and Ginobili for whatever they want, then use the MLE to bring over Bertans and sign a vet. So in my mind, none of these cap concerns really matter. But smart teams know how to use the cap rules to their advantage, unlike the Pacers and Bulls who messed up their roster or cap situations by doing transactions in the wrong order.
Stats like ppg and fg% are pretty much meaningless. If people actually bothered to look deeper the best indicators still suggest Manu is a top player in the league. Even this relative down year, and if you give him the benefit of including last season, well then he is still elite.
RAPM is is heralded as the best stat by smart NBA followers. It's so good that the guy doing it has now been picked up by an NBA team, hence he has unfortunately removed his 12-13 ratings but before injuries this season (and year after year before that) Manu was a well established top 10 player in the league looking at RAPM.
His PER is still also among the best shooting guards in the league. Even this struggling season. His Simple rating of 10.3 lead the team last season and 6.2 this season is still behind only Tim and Tony.
When Manu is on, he is the best player on the team bc of what he can do all around for the team, period. He isn't finished yet.
he is not as popular with his suckage play as before
You want him to serve as a glorified human victory cigar and only be seen when hes bear hugging Timmy?
you are not telling the truth
tp and duncan if on if manu is on are way better then manu now
*sigh*
Doubt he gets the vet minimum, he's Manu Ginobili
Always loved Manu and always will despite his erratic play. I'd love to be able to see him play for 2 more years. If the corpse of DFish can do it, Manu certainly can.
dude shows up on gmae in a playoff series
other plays can do that and are cheaper
RJ is getting 11mil next season to hand out towels and gatorades. Manu is easily worth 2yr/13-14milion.
Considering his age, injuries and level of play, $6M per year sounds fair for Ginobili.
Now, if Manu is ready to take a big paycut to help Spurs going after the best free agents, the room exception would be the way to go. It would pay him $2.7M per year over 2 years.
Ginobili taking the room exception would even allow Spurs to go after Dwight Howard.
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