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You know you're a hack when you make a ton of sequential posts in your own ty thread.
Description of Fallacies
In order to understand what a fallacy is, one must understand what an argument is. Very briefly, an argument consists of one or more premises and one conclusion. A premise is a statement (a sentence that is either true or false) that is offered in support of the claim being made, which is the conclusion (which is also a sentence that is either true or false).
There are two main types of arguments: deductive and inductive. A deductive argument is an argument such that the premises provide (or appear to provide) complete support for the conclusion. An inductive argument is an argument such that the premises provide (or appear to provide) some degree of support (but less than complete support) for the conclusion. If the premises actually provide the required degree of support for the conclusion, then the argument is a good one. A good deductive argument is known as a valid argument and is such that if all its premises are true, then its conclusion must be true. If all the argument is valid and actually has all true premises, then it is known as a sound argument. If it is invalid or has one or more false premises, it will be unsound. A good inductive argument is known as a strong (or "cogent") inductive argument. It is such that if the premises are true, the conclusion is likely to be true.
A fallacy is, very generally, an error in reasoning. This differs from a factual error, which is simply being wrong about the facts. To be more specific, a fallacy is an "argument" in which the premises given for the conclusion do not provide the needed degree of support. A deductive fallacy is a deductive argument that is invalid (it is such that it could have all true premises and still have a false conclusion). An inductive fallacy is less formal than a deductive fallacy. They are simply "arguments" which appear to be inductive arguments, but the premises do not provided enough support for the conclusion. In such cases, even if the premises were true, the conclusion would not be more likely to be true.
You know you're a hack when you make a ton of sequential posts in your own ty thread.
I know many really, really smart conservatives. What will always make me laugh is though the unapologetic hypocrisy when some conservatives tout Jesus' word when passionately standing up against things like gay marriage and abortion, yet blatantly ignoring the most fundamental tenants of Christianity when it comes to things like health care for the poor, the death penalty, our wars of the last decade, welfare for the poor vs. welfare for the rich/corporations, etc.
I'm not talking about all conservatives, but you guilty ones know who you are. lol
So, basically, your definition of hack is someone who can string together a series of thoughts into a coherent argument.
Unlike yourself, who is obviously NOT a hack, despite being unable to string more than a few sentences together, and who seems to think that smileys pass for actually countering a point?
Seriously? Your track record on addressing things logically and with good evidence gives you little room to use that word.
that is neither here not there. Is this or is this not a political forum? Are there or are there not people that find gun control an important issue?
this place is full of trolls. That is not exactly insight and TSA's 'trolling' is a very poor attempt at it.
It's more like you don't stand up for your words and dissemble as a matter of course. People 'squirrel' away your posts because you literally say the dumbest on the entire site. Your reputation for stupid is well founded, Dr. Solar Burp.
I'm pretty sure you do logical fallacies as much as everyone. You don't need to be so pretentious and pompous. Unless you're in troll mode
Anyone who does not agree with you is then stupid. If it's one person, it's them. However when its everyone, then it's you.
So what are examples of contemporary conservative intellectuals? The question has been asked multiple times with nary an example.
That is one basis for the question posed.
You know that is not true snc. You and I don't see eye to eye on many things and I dont think youre stupid. People I have had disagreements with that I don't think are dumb also include CC, TB, WH, RG, Darrin and DMC.
I do think WC is a gibbering idiot though and I think his track record speaks to that.
How exactly am I trolling? Gun control is very important to me, that is why I discuss it.
Do you have to be hand held through everything? Look at the flow of the conversation ie where my first post was and what it was responding to. If you cannot figure it out then get back to me. Consider it work on your reading and critical thinking skills. You need the practice.
Must be hard for you to read your computer screen from way up there on your high horse as you clearly missed Th'Pusher bring up guns up. Your emperical evidence awaits at post #71, you pretentious .
How is he "immoral"? Or an idiot, for that matter?
Point taken.
That OP is pretty hackish. Mea culpa.
I noticed you didn't call TSA on his. Why is that?
I think letting people die because they dont have health insurance is immoral.How is he "immoral"? Or an idiot, for that matter?
Ron Paul thinks that is ok.
Do you find it moral to let someone bleed to death on the steps of the hospital, simply because they lack the money to pay for services?
For a doctor I found that rather shockingly stupid and more than a bit immoral.
I don't think he has had a functiong practice in decades, and has no idea about the current landscape of health care, other than his vacuous pla udes about personal responsibility.
You know my stance on the public option. But that was pure straw.
Nobody bleeds to death on the steps of a hospital because they lack insurance. EMTALA...it's not just for breakfast anymore.
Feel free to point them out. Please. I would prefer not to have my thinking on any given subject be flawed in that way.
Can you point one out?
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Respectfully:
I have spent more than a decade using that nizkor list, and showing how people are committing logical fallacies.
By most accounts, I am fairly bright.
I know you don't like me, and want to think that my thinking uses these logical fallacies, but come on, really? I may up occasionnaly, but don't let your dislike of my politics or me personally get the better of you. It may just be possible that someone you disagree with is fairly logical and principled, even if you don't agree with everything or even anything.
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EMTAL was co sponsored by Bob Dole. Bob Dole likes EMTAL /Norm MacDonald Voice/
Nobody does because it is the law.
RP pushes pretty hard that the government should get out of the way. I don't think it was really a mischaractorization at all, especially the way he very deliberately sidestepped the question. He knows what his answer was, and knew that it would not get him elected. THat is what politicians of any stripe, even mavericks like RP do.
If the government mandates emergency care, that is interference in a private transaction, is it not? The private en y is the hospital, and the law forces that hospital to treat people regardless of ability to pay.
Extreme to be sure, but removing that law is consistant with the libertarian philosophy, yes or no?
As I said before, I am not going to engage in a debate over gun control. I know you don't understand key concepts in how to interpret data. That's why I told you what I was discussing before. You can lead a horse to water.
Apparently, you don't grasp the concept of temporal order or conversation. I'm not being pretentious. Condescending certainly.
Libertarian philosophy? Irrelevant.
"Do you find it moral to let someone bleed to death on the steps of the hospital, simply because they lack the money to pay for services?"
Moral? A morality judgement on an action that does not take place? And this is not straw, how?
If you want to frame that within the context of Libertarianism, fine. Do so.
Affirming the consequent comes to mind as well.
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