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He's not getting $14m/year... that's what he's making now. He'll likely get a bit less of what TD's making now ($10m/year)... Anything from $5m to $8m a season is probably in the ballpark...
People are overrating the out of Manu, he isn't even the 3rd best player on this team. His passing has been erratic, 5.4 Apg with 2.4 TO's per game, and he makes some pretty stupid plays out there that benefit the other team. And offensively he looks done. He's also been plagued by numerous injuries.
I don't want him taking shots away from Leonard either, If Pop actually drew up plays for Kawhi he'd easily average around 18 PPG. I want Manu taking limited shots like he did in the Memphis series.
Manu is still valuable but not as much as others suggest, he's the only other Spur that can run the offense outside of Parker and he does a lot of things that don't show up on the stat sheet.
Let's just wait until we see his performance in the Finals, then we will be able to properly gauge his value.
He's not getting $14m/year... that's what he's making now. He'll likely get a bit less of what TD's making now ($10m/year)... Anything from $5m to $8m a season is probably in the ballpark...
I love Kawhi and I think he's going to be great, but right now, on a per minute production basis, Manu still is the 3rd best player on this team.
The Spurs' offense also rely heavily on ball movement, especially the bench, who has no shot creators, and Manu is the guy, good or bad, that makes everything work there.
Manu isn't even shooting much these days. I wouldn't be too concerned about him taking shots away from anybody, tbh...
Yeah a Parker/Green/Leonard/Duncan/Howard starting lineup with some good players on the bench like Joseph, Ginobili, Diaw. Looks good on the paper.
It would shock me that Howard picked a team like Spurs but you never know. He certainly is worth the phone call providing Ginobili is fine with the room exception.
Howard is a both a pipe dream and a huge gamble... wouldn't surprise me at all if the team doesn't consider him Spurs material, tbh
Before you go on with your takes remember that RJ will get 11 million next year.
COK homer, per par.
You should be..
Timmy made about 100 mill the last 5 years when he became a free agent. That averages to about 20 mill a year. He signed for 3yr 30 mill. Manu has been paid about 60 mill for last 5 years. Average per yr 12 mill. Look for the Spurs and Manu to agree on a contract about 3 yr 5-6 mill a yr with last yr non-guaranteed or partial guaranteed.
Don't think Spurs would consider DH - his at ude waves a big red flag. Besides, Spurs are known to stand pat especially after a good year (which reaching the Finals is). After the 07 championship, I thought it was a mistake to stand pat but they've since recovered from it (in spite of the RJ fiasco).
If they can re-sign Tiago, Manu and maybe Neal (since his stock should be low), it'll be a good off-season.
Manu will most likely get two years, the second being a player option and he will sign for what fits the team and over 4 millions for each season.
I don´t think Ginobili will say NO to a two year contract worth only 8 millions if the FO puts a good team that can contend for two years.
But if the Spurs are 7 millions below the salary cap. And they can´t sign anyone for those extra 3 millions (4 are going to Ginobili) then they will give him 7 and I think he earned that compliment from the team.
He might been overpaid this season, but he was underpaid for at least 5 seasons, and he did sign a very ty contract to join the Spurs in the first place.
At this stage, re-sign Tiago and Manu, keep developing Baynes, CoJo, DeColo, let go of Bonner, Blair and Neal and give Kawhi a bigger role offensively... I think that's an offseason that would be great right there... I wouldn't even mind bringing back T-Mac as insurance... he might actually have a bit left in the tank and he's still fairly young for a two-year deal for the vet minimum...
Then I guess he is never on anymore.
There is no way, imo, that the Spurs are going to break up the 'Big 3' after this season unless Ginobili makes it impossible to give him enough money (i.e. if he were to demand too much). I just don't see Manu doing that.
My guess is that he will sign for about 6-8 M per year, and everyone will be happy, because we still need him leading the second team.
Anything else is just unthinkable, imo.
Ginobli is still amazing. Without him, the bench would be worthless.
And you guys do know that Ginobli is essentially the back-up point guard and 2nd main facilitator on this team right? He's absolutely critical to this team's success.
He'll be offered at least 5 million a year. The Spurs won't insult Ginobli. I remember before the Lakers series this year a reporter asked Pop what it would mean if Ginobli was out for the playoffs because of injury. Pop simply responded. "Then it's over for us"
Surprised by the number of Ginobli haters on this thread. He's meant everything to this franchise. He'll go down as the most exciting, most cherished and beloved Spur of all time.
"Thank you" contracts suck.
I think the MLE for two years would be fair... even a little bit high for loyalty. I think the Spurs would be lucky if Manu plays 3/4 of both seasons.
I'm more concerned about Splitter. I still can't peg his value. We'll see how he performs in the finals.
I would like to see Manu retire. Just watching him drive makes my arthritis flare up. His joints look stiffer than mine. What with those super long strides of his, it just looks painful for him. I see a hip replacement in his future.
Having said that, if he doesn't retire, I'm sure he'll do what's best for the team as far as salary goes. Whatever he and the Spurs agree upon, I'm good with it. Manu is not only my favorite Spurs player...but has been my favorite NBA player for a very long time. He can stay as long he wants. He's worn a caste...I think he'll do fine with a cane
He's still the second (maybe only) playmaker we have after Tony. He's not overrated, Do you really want to see the second unit be managed by Neal/Joseph or whoever else is left?
Manu will get a 2 year 15 Mil deal and then ride off into the sunset once that deal ends.
Of course not, I just don't want SA to overpay for him if there is a better option out there they can afford.
What other option could there be out there? If you didn't know, this 35 years old with a broken body that everybody is saying is playing like is still posting an effeciency rating of 20+ pts in these playoffs. That's pretty damn good for any all-star player let alone an old fart like him, tbh.
I know he's making that now, that's why I said that number.
5m would be a godsend, though I think the minimum he'll take would be around 7.5m.
I don't think money will be an issue at all, unless the Spurs go with something stupid like vet minimum... He wants to stay, the Spurs want him back... it'll work out.
People also underestimate other business-related things that come with keeping a fan favorite like Manu around... ticket sales, merchandise sales... thankfully Manu isn't a guy that es at reduced minutes or stuff like that, so I think it will all work out in the end.
Um no, there's a guy called Tony Parker.
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