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id go for dallas 13. itd be awesome to have another player naned robinson. but 13# would be cheaper, maybe younger. maybe a tweener more able to guard wings?
Cuban would never make a trade with the Spurs
id go for dallas 13. itd be awesome to have another player naned robinson. but 13# would be cheaper, maybe younger. maybe a tweener more able to guard wings?
Dallas is trying to ac ulate cap space. I don't think they want players in return for the 13th pick.
Agreed, what you could see is something like this:
Spurs 2014 First for Dallas's #13.
A trade like this could happen if Dallas is desperate for cap space. It should also be noted that a lot of commentators think the 2014 draft will be much better than the 2013 draft.
...which is why it won't happen.
I guess Dallas will try to create a little more cap space than just dumping #13. They will try at least to dump Jared Cunningham with the pick because he has done nothing as a rookie. They might also try to add Vince Carter but it's not sure because he has had a productive season.
There is also Shawn Marion but it won't be easy because his salary is high. They could do a RJ with him and convince Marion to opt out in exchange of a multi-year contract with a lower salary.
Someone may have already posted this, but Bonner and Spurs 2014 first for Carter and #13? Clears a decent amount of space for Dallas. Not sure they'd deal with the Spurs. I also have no idea what kind of deals other teams would be willing to make with Dallas. It could be we're underestimating what Dallas can get in return.
I would do that if I was SAS. Carter's been solid for the Mavs. He could play 2 and 3 for us, no problem. Getting a #13 for what's probably a #25 or so is a pretty good deal...
I think it would have to be Carter + Cunningham + #13 for Spurs' 2014 1st rounder. If the Mavs are only including one of those two players, then another team with a better pick would outbid us.
Taking on Cunningham's salary doesn't seem like a big deal for the Spurs if they're not planning to sign a big free agent. If the Spurs were to keep Bonner next year, he'd cost 3,945,000. Carter and Cunningham together would cost 4,388,400. That's a pretty cheap way to move up in the draft if the Spurs see someone they like at #13. I still think the Mavericks will find something they like better.
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Also, Bonner has to be included in the deal. On draft night trades still use 2012-2013 salaries. The Spurs are over the cap so the numbers have to line up.
Yeah. I wonder about the Hawks, though. Can they really afford two mid-round picks cutting into their cap space? Not if they're really trying for two max deals.
I've never heard that before. Are you sure?
Yes. The league year begins in July. The draft uses previous salaries and the previous tax and cap rules. So the Spurs will still be considered to be near the tax, even though they'll have plenty of cap space in July. That will limit their ability to make draft-day trades.
I thought about that too and I find it strange that no one talks about Atlanta. If I had to guess, Atlanta will trade at least one of those picks. There are many teams that could trade their picks, this is god news for the Spurs.
Plus we have connections with their GM Ferry and now with their head coach I think they have a level of trust with the Spurs. The questions is if we did a trade and received their draft pick what player would you want or what player would make the most impact on this team?
So if we did get their pick we would probably be looking at the following as far as value:
Rudy Gobert -C 7'2 238pds
Gorgui Dieng -C 6"11 230pds
Darco Saric - SF 6"10 223pds
Last edited by BackHome; 06-02-2013 at 12:57 PM.
i actually like this deal. i think it spells a no option pick up for mills though. carter is still good, i wonder if a tmac and carter reunion would be in play? and it def turns that 28 into a for sure big. , maybe a texas 3 way for robinson.
a good prospect 4 Spurs in da 2nd rd Romero Osby - Oklahoma
So would anyone do a De Colo and Bonner (and potentially 28 and/or a future first) for Lou Williams and the 17th and 18th picks trade? That's about the amount of cap relief Atlanta would need to get back to a point where they can sign two max players.
I don't know if I would do it, as I like De Colo and I don't see what the Spurs would do with with two (or three) firsts. Also (and more importantly) I don't know where Williams would fit unless Ginobili moves over to the three full time. I'd be a great scoring punch off the bench, but he'd get way too much money to be the seventh or eight man.
I think Lou Williams is/was a really useful player. He put up really solid PER numbers, his RAPM has been good(08/09 to 11/12 are -1.3, -.2, 0.4, 2.1 which is really solid), and getting a quality guard plus upgrading picks would be a good deal. I like Bonner as a player(Sure, he has weaknesses, but his shooting efficiency and refusal to turn the ball over are pretty helpful), but that 's a big haul for his non guaranteed deal. There are some fit issues with it forcing Manu to SF but if you could play the two together, they're both good enough passers for it to work.
I don't know how interested the Hawks would be pre-draft, unless they've heard through back channels that Dwight and CP3 are coming. If they know, worth doing, but it seems that if they picked players and were 2m short, they could dump Lou and draft rights fairly easily post draft, or negotiate with Chris and Dwight to give them 1 million less each so they could keep the picks and provide a better group of role players.
I think it's doubtful the Spurs like too many players from this draft so it would be a stretch to expect them to move up and even more of a stretch to get 2 additional first round picks. Maybe if they really like some draft and stash player like the croatian kid, who's got quite the upside, but if anything I'd expect the Spurs to trade down, so they wouldn't need to take on additional salary depending on their cap space and which FA they might be after. There are enough young players on the team and in the pipeline ( Bertans, Hanga ).
Says all the right things at least.
Some random players that have worked out for Spurs:
Ricky Ledo
Isaiah Canaan
Grant Jerrett
Durand Scott
Erik Murphy
Brandon Davies
Archie Goodwin with the first. Chip helps him with his shot. An emphasis on defense. Spurs system with the discipline and structure. And spurs culture for the intangibles. Archie has high potential and the fact he wants to be the best in class is encouraging. He has had problems with being coachable but what better example than Timmy.
I think at this point, the big 3 era is winding down and are going to need prospects with potential to accept a passing of the torch. We have Leonard, who is legitimate enough to be considered a viable option moving forward. Two to go.
That leaves us looking for a sg who can create and an efficient post presence. It remains to be seen if tiago can carry that kind of load.
Other players, Ricky ledo for his upside, Durand Scott, and mike muscala.
easily available with the late 2nd round pick. or undrafted even. i'm super excited about him.
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