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    I've said this exact sentence 3 summers in a row now.
    Indeed. What's really sad is that I'm actually home now and have NBA TV for the first time ever and I still will probably spend the money for the convenience of it. The service has definitely been worth the money over the last few years.

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    Even if he's not ready to play next year, he might be worth bringing over on the idea that it takes a year to learn the system. If you want him in 2014, and you have roster space it's probably worth it.

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    Although it did not take place Pop I think was thinking Lorbek was coming last post season. As we not going to see him I think Bertans with his improvement will be at the front of Pop's thinking.

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    Bertans is currently playing the Serbian league that is a league with some very good but some very bad teams. His stats for some games aren't that relevant because of the low quality of the opponents.

    Saying that, Bertans has had a very good season. I'm not sure if he should stay another year in Europe or not, but he is a promising prospect.

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    Another good game by Bertans: 22 points on 7 for 14 shooting, 5 boards, 2 blocks in 23 minutes.

    http://basketball.realgm.com/international/boxscore/2013-05-28/KK-Novi-Sad-at-KK-Partizan/126316

    That said, it wasn't a very compe ive game. If anyone is familiar with the Serbian league, I believe there are only four teams left and that Partizan is in the playoffs of the Super League. So, Novi Sad should at least be a decent team, but I don't actually know. Also was this the first in a best of three for Partizan?

    ...and my vote is to bring Bertans over this year. Otherwise we might not be able to afford him

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    6'10" wing with a great shot and hops?

    Can't be worse than Steve Novak

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    Highlights of his last game:


    The most interesting part of the Serbian league should be the expected finals between Partizan and Red Star. Both are good teams and there is a huge rivalry between them for decades. These derbies at the Pionir arena are usually some crazy .

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    It looks like the only thing he needs to work on are his foot speed and his strength. With that said I think it is better for him to be signed because it is going to take him a year to get to know the Spurs plays and also a year to add on muscle. I would feel safer having the Spurs organization help oversee him adding strength and muscle as it is so easy to mess up your shoulder by not lifting correctly. Either way it is going to be fun watching the Spurs summer leauge..

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    I would love to see this kid and Hanga in a Spurs Jersey next season.

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    Thanks Bruno, those highlights are great, blocks, alley-oops, and fearless 3 point shooting. He looks great. He looks ready for a bump up in his level of compe ion.

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    I think he should come over if he's willing to accept a long-term cheap deal and at least a year of development in Austin. It's clear he can play, so the Spurs should focus on developing his body and game to fit whatever role they want him to play. Bringing him stateside would secure the proper coaching, as well as give him some time to acclimate to the U.S. and life in the NBA. Don't rely on him to back up Leonard right away, but definitely put him on the roster.

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    The partizan is probably the best coaching for young players you can find through all europe.
    Their team is insanely young, yet playing in Euroleague, a league that is leagues above (and I'm being kind) D-League in terms systems (offensive and defensive), intensity, maturity.
    In that sense, he has way much experience to gather there than in Austin.

    Furthermore, the coaching staff (inclunding Duško Vujošević as the head coach) in Belgrad is really reknowed for young players development and one of the best in Europe.
    And as they are a bit short on cash, they tend to rely on young domestic and euro players. (the oldest gui in their roster is 25, current roster )

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    It might have been mentioned before but in most of his vids he is wearing knee pads, does he have issues with his knees?

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    The partizan is probably the best coaching for young players you can find through all europe.
    Their team is insanely young, yet playing in Euroleague, a league that is leagues above (and I'm being kind) D-League in terms systems (offensive and defensive), intensity, maturity.
    In that sense, he has way much experience to gather there than in Austin.

    Furthermore, the coaching staff (inclunding Duško Vujošević as the head coach) in Belgrad is really reknowed for young players development and one of the best in Europe.
    And as they are a bit short on cash, they tend to rely on young domestic and euro players. (the oldest gui in their roster is 25, current roster )
    I'm not saying the Partizan league is not a good league, and I'm definitely not saying the d-league is better. I'm just saying that when Bertans is on the Spurs' payroll, they can develop him how they want. So long as another team is paying him, they'll have the ultimate say in how he matures. Does another team want him to put on weight and try to be a four instead of playing as a three? Do the Spurs want him to focus more on drives to the lane instead of shooting threes? It's possible that both teams have the same goals for Bertans' development, but cutting out the middle man would allow the Spurs to remove any doubts. Also, he'd have a year to learn the system and adjust to the U.S. That might also trump better compe ion.

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    It might have been mentioned before but in most of his vids he is wearing knee pads, does he have issues with his knees?
    He had knee issues a couple of years ago but he has been fine since that.

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    For French speaking people, I highly recommend to watch the great do entary made by canal+ on Westermann and the Partizan. Even if it's not centered on him, there is some very good Bertans stuff in it.

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    For French speaking people, I highly recommend to watch the great do entary made by canal+ on Westermann and the Partizan. Even if it's not centered on him, there is some very good Bertans stuff in it.
    Unfortunately I don't speak French, but I still understood enough to enjoy it. Thanks!

    Aside:
    I'm not sure if others would have interest, but maybe a sticky thread devoted to "General International Basketball" would be useful. I have questions that seem like "Think Tank" material, but don't fit a particular thread. For example, as a result of following the Spurs' international players, I'm trying to understand European basketball better and was wondering what the logic is to having 5 game series in the quarterfinals of the Euroleague, but then having single elimination games in the Final Four. I can't figure out a good place to ask such questions.

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    Summer league will decide where he plays this next season. Europe or Dleague or SA. If it was me, I would say Dleague.

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    Partizan won their best of three series last night and is now in the Serbian Super League finals. 7 points, 2 boards, 2 steals, 1 assist for Bertans. Thanks to sinok for finding a box score for me:

    http://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/...0_1543_170.asp

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    Red Star won their semi-final series today, so Partizan (Bertans' team) will meet them in the Serbian Super League finals starting Wednesday. I don't know the history between the two, but both are based in Belgrade. Bruno, was that Red Star that Partizan was playing in that crazy game in the canal+ do entary you posted?

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    Red Star won their semi-final series today, so Partizan (Bertans' team) will meet them in the Serbian Super League finals starting Wednesday. I don't know the history between the two, but both are based in Belgrade. Bruno, was that Red Star that Partizan was playing in that crazy game in the canal+ do entary you posted?
    Partizan and Red Star are both playing in Belgrade and in the same arena called Pionir. The rivalry between these teams is so big mostly because there are a lot of violence, fights, hate between "fans". It galvanized players.

    In the Canal+ do entary, they first showed a game between Partizan and Red Star in a neutral arena. The game wasn't able to reach its ends because "fans" started to go on the court and throw a fire extinguisher on it.
    They then explained how a game at Pionir between Partizan/Red Star happens at Pionir. Only fans of the "home" teams are allowed in the arena to avoid fights. Players of the "away" team don't go like usually at the arena by themselves. They meet outside the town where they take a bus escorted by the police to reach safely the arena. You can also see a tunnel in plastic between the locker room and the side of the court and transparent plastic panels behind the bench. These protections are to avoid "away" players being hit by object throw by fans like coins, cell phone batteries, firecrackers...

    On a side note, Partizan coach said in this reportage a motto that I find stronger that Pop pounding the rock motto: "A team is like a submarine. If a player makes a mistake, we are all dead."

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    Thanks Bruno I'm not sure I'll ever understand this level of rabidness in fans. I really like the Spurs and there are other teams and players I dislike, but I can't imagine getting to the point where I'd want to hurt players or other fans. It seems crazy. In the do entary, I thought Bertans was struggling in practice because of fatigue. Was it fear? What did his coach tell him?

    Anyway, if things don't get out of control, the atmosphere at the games should be pretty incredible. Go Partizan Go! (and be safe)

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    I'm not sure I'll ever understand this level of rabidness in fans. I really like the Spurs and there are other teams and players I dislike, but I can't imagine getting to the point where I'd want to hurt players or other fans. It seems crazy. In the do entary, I thought Bertans was struggling in practice because of fatigue. Was it fear? What did his coach tell him?
    The vast majority of basketball fans in Europe are like you but there are some extreme violent fans in ex-Yougoslavia, Greece and Turkey.

    The explanation of the scene between Bertans and the coach is :
    After practices, some Partizan's player sometimes have to do a drill when they can only leave the court after having made 10 threes in a row. Most of the times, it takes few minutes and a week earlier Bertans even beat his record with 17 threes made in a row. The day it was filmed, and after a 2h30 practice, Bertans still hasn't made 10 three's in a row after after having tried for 1h. He started to lose his cool. The coach come and said that it wasn't because he wasn't able to make 10 three in a row that he should lose his cool. He just should keep trying. They gave him another 45 minutes to make the 10 threes but he failed.

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    Thanks Bruno. Sounds like he's being pushed pretty hard in Partizan. Should help him later.

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    It looks like the only thing he needs to work on are his foot speed and his strength. With that said I think it is better for him to be signed because it is going to take him a year to get to know the Spurs plays and also a year to add on muscle. I would feel safer having the Spurs organization help oversee him adding strength and muscle as it is so easy to mess up your shoulder by not lifting correctly. Either way it is going to be fun watching the Spurs summer leauge..

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