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If Leonard can make LeBron work for his points in the next series, no one will underrate him again.
he will be underrated by the media to feed these fans.
I saw a poll yesterday and the result was
Parsons, Thompson, Buttler, Shumpert > Leonard
Apparently, Leonard is not on the same level defensively as shumpert and Buttler.
If Leonard can make LeBron work for his points in the next series, no one will underrate him again.
I doubt it tbh. At this point Leonard over these guys should be crystal clear by now tbh, what makes you think a good game from leonard would erase that? Feed the "fans" is how the media works tbh. He will get props, but the common conssues will always be Parson, Thompson, Buttler, Shumpert > Leonard tbh. I'm sure it would change but not in the next three or four years..
Parson's the only guy i can see an argument with, but he's still not better than leonard.
I'd take Parsons, Thompson and Shumpert over Leonard right now too.
Leonard isn't nearly as polished offensively as any of those guys. Remember that most of Leonard's points come from wide open corner 3's. Leonard has the benefit of playing in a system where he's afforded very little responsibility and is less prone to making mistakes.
I like Leonard, and I think he'll be a solid role player for years to come but never a star. He's simply too shy, doesn't have enough confidence with the ball in his hands, and at the end of the day, just isn't a very good shooter.
I think this teams success elevates all of our role players stock substantially. Maybe too much. Danny Green is another player who's got to be wide open to make a basket. Seriously, do you ever see Leonard or Green driving in the lane and assisting someone? Or setting a play up? no. I'm sorry but you cant even evaluate Leonard with those other guys. They have so much more responsibility on their teams that it's not even a fair comparison. Until Leonard plays a more impactful role on offense as they do, comparing them is just silly.
Possibly the worst take I've read this season. Wow.
Action speaks louder than words.
Parson can't D, Thompson's ceiling is prime Kevin Martin, Shumpert is a mere athletic monkey baller.
All these guys are fishing. And while I think Parsons and Thompson are ahead of Leonard currently, Leonard's skill set is held back by design. When this team becomes a new Big 3, Parker, Splitter, Leonard... that is when we can rate these 4 players in the same group.
Klay Thompson is understandable.
I actually really like Jimmy Butler. Had the Spurs kept Hill and gotten Butler, I don't think we'd have been too upset. Hill would probably have been gone, but I think Butler would have been starting here and doing a good job at it. In the very least, Butler, Parsons and Thompson have the aggression Leonard needs to show consistently to get to the next level.
Don't forget one of Kawhi's greatest strengths is his rebounding, he is a better rebounder than some power forwards, and is a way better rebounder than all the other players on that list.
No way I'd pick any of those guys over Kawhi. But Parsons is pretty close, imo. But the only thing that sets him close to Kawhi is the offense. His D is decent enough, and he scores enough points. But people seem to forge that he plays in Houston, where they're more focused on offense. Kawhi focuses more on D but can definitely score when he has the opportunities, remember the Bulls game? He scored points off of transition, 3s, drives. The key for Kawhi is doing it on a consistent basis imo.
These comparisons just illustrate how little the mainstream NBA fan watches the Spurs. Leaving aside the eye-test, the advanced statistics are very much in Leonard's favor:
Offense: PER is the best available metric for offense. Here's how they stack up - (R) is for regular season, (P) is for playoffs:
Leonard: 16.46 (R), 17.9 (P)
Parsons: 15.33 (R), 13.6 (P)
Butler: 15.26 (R), 14.5 (P)
Thompson: 12.7 (R), 10.2 (P)
Shumpert 11.72 (R), 14.2 (P)
Defensive Rating, (R) is for regular season and (P) is for playoffs:
Leonard: 99 (R), 97 (P)
Parsons: 108 (R), 115 (P)
Butler: 104 (R), 111 (P)
Thompson: 107 (R), 99 (P)
Shumpert: 106 (R), 97 (P)
Boiled down, Leonard is the best player by a fair margin on both sides of the floor. Thompson appears to be great on offense, but is a notoriously inefficient chucker. Shumpert and Butler are passable on defense, but Leonard is consistently better. Parsons is ridiculously overrated.
apparently, patty mills is a star and dejuan blair is a superstar.
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He's already making quite the ty reputation for himself. You should see his top 10 role players on det other thread.
Leonard plays within a system that limits his possibilities to take over a game. he is sometimes the 4th option while parsons is often the second options behind harden. easier to be flashy when you have the green light. leonard does the most with the opportunity given and makes an impact on both ends of the floor.
Except for the part where Kawhi just got finished completely erasing him out of a playoff series.
Anyone that would not take Kawhi over any of those guys knows nothing about basketball. /thread
Obviously spurs fans know what kawhi's worth is, but when you say casual most of them don't watch a lot and mostly refer to basic stats like PRASB.
What he said. Kawhi's stats haven't been eye-popping... outside of the steal category, his rebounding isn't consistent and his scoring hasn't been consistent as well. However, Spurs fans know that all those rebounds that he gets are during some of the most crucial points in the game. The same can't be said of the other players.
I would possibly pick Chandler Parsons over Kawhi. However, because the Spurs are the most efficient with a defending SF to fill spot of a retired Bruce Bowen, the Spurs were better off picking Kawhi. Offensively, I'd pick Chandler Parsons over anyone else 10 out of 10 times. The other poster in this thread who compared him to Kevin Martin is dead wrong, Kevin Martin can't rebound for beans; Chandler Parsons can.
At 21 years of age, Leonard displays the mental toughness of a veteran.Leonard has the composure and compe ive fire that separate the good from the great players, and makes winning plays. He is already one of the best defenders in the league and, plays a large role in making the Spurs' defense elite. Without Leonard, it's doubtful the Spurs would be in the finals right now.Throughout the his career, he has shown flashes of all-star potential on the offensive end of the ball. Kawhi currently has the 28th highest P.E.R in the playoffs, ahead of players like Wade, Bosh, Paul George, and Parsons who ranks at 81st. Parson's is 3 years older than Kawhi. Parsons outscored Leonard by 1.7 points per 36 minutes, with 1.8 more shots per game than Leonard. I like Parsons, but Kawhi leads him in almost every advanced stat and is the way better defender.Ask yourself this question: If you have only those options available to start a franchise with, who are you taking?
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