I think Lebron makes all the above moot ...
But we shall see ...
I dont hate Duncan tbh ... Kool cant stand Timmy obviously.
I just hate you Mamba hating Silver and black colored glasses hating romp rangers ... that hate on good players (not just Bean) and let that hatred blind you from recognizing great players. I dont hate Lebron, Duncan or Durant because they beat up on my team ...those are 3 amazing players. I would take any on the Lakers even when Lebron talks in third person, or Tim with his tramp stamp or Durant and his acne (pre Pro-aCtiv) I dont care about NONE of that ...just if you can play ...period.
Dont et me wrong I dont like certain players: Battier, Pierce and a few others ...but I think they are good players too.
Lebron ain't earn mutha er....that on easy street...give me some names of s that got in his ass? that made him work....Prime s...he got swept by the Spurs he quit against the Celts...he beat no one enroute to a le...like I said..that dont be dropping s off at the rim the way MJ and Kobe did...he has one basically hard tamahawk slam and that's ing it...he just don't have the that Kobe and MJ had
I like Tim Duncan more than I like Lebron and that ain't no joke...I don't give a he has tongue, rings, tramp stamps, and gets cucked by white men...I'm rooting for that cat..er cuck
Paul George just didn't know what he had....he's been in the league only 3 yrs but if that knew what he had he could have finished off Lebron...
I like PG, but in game 7 he folded. We shall see is it a learning experience or will he one of them Glilber Arenas type flash in the pan kinda ?
Heck even players like Penny, TMAC, Grant hill etc with even better flashes as wing players but never fulfilled teh promise they showed in a early playoff run.
I like Paul George's game but he syillneeds to provemore to me tbh ...
He gone be airight..he's a young cat...he needs to work with Kobe in the off-season though...I like players that dont give a about Lebron...Paul gets in the gym and out in some more work he'll be fine...he's still on a rookie contract and he's balling...it's real hard for today's players to have that drive and work ethic of that late 90's class...Duncan, Nash, Kobe, Allen, Paul Pierce, KG...the last great era is coming to an end
Both are all-time greats in their respective positions. Apples to oranges comparison, they play completely different positions at a different element of the game.
Right......Only Laker fans think that
They may be "lumped" into some imaginary group, but only re ed lakerfans think Kobe should be mentioned on any GOAT list.
lol spursfans
enjoy these last 2 days of fantasy. reality will be a come Thursday
We dont hate him because he 'killed' the spurs dumbass. We hate him because hed an overrated, selfish chucker that has been advertised as the next MJ and as the best player since Mike...its like people dont even bother looking at facts with this chucker. Statistically every number suggests hes nowhere near MJ andanyone with a brain realizes that bot Shaq and Duncan were also more dominant. This doesnt even have the vaunted MVP and FMVP in the same season and yet hes inexplicaly lumped with the true GOATs.
if timmy gets his 5th
timmy 5 rings
2 season mvps
3 finals mvps
Tired old bag rapist
5 rings
1 season mvp
2 finals mvp
Great scorer and a great desire to be great, sure. But the chucker aint even Top 3 since MJ...maybe top 10-15 all-time imo.
The only way we win a ring is if Duncan dominates and wins a 4th Finals MVP IMO.
Wilt is one of the best talents relative to his era ever. I don't dispute that; however, there's more to being a great basketball player than being a great talent. Being a great teammate and playing great defensive is a big (and very overlooked) part of it as well. Otherwise, your list is just going to be clogged and watered down with volume scorers while many of the greater players like Russell and Duncan are undeservedly shoved far down on those lists and discredited for not having a higher PPG stat or whatever.
But you know, this probably isn't even worth discussing if you seriously discount great defense that much and think his only having two rings in one of the weakest eras don't at all effect his standing in your GOAT list. If you really feel that way, I doubt we'll agree on anything regarding what makes a great basketball player. I won't force my opinion on you about it, but I don't agree with yours either.
Yeah it's Duncan's last chance....as was the year before and the year before that
cully would off himself tbh
We need more threads like these, tbh.
Fergie The Florist is that you??lol spursfans
enjoy these last 2 days of fantasy. reality will be a come Thursday
I'm not denying that Wilt was a super dominant force or that he has a lot of records. That's why I have him at #4 despite the lack of rings and regular season/playoff success. The reason I have Russell above him is that Wilt's talent, for as great as he was, did not translate to winning championships. You could show me the world's greatest scorer, greatest whatever, but what does it matter if it doesn't translate to wins? Russell was just an okay scorer, but hey look, 11 championships in 13 years with his excellent defense and leadership. Just because he won that way instead of the way you like doesn't make it any less impressive. This is why I frequently say PPG is the most overrated stat in basketball and that defense goes criminally overlooked.
When Wilt averaged 50 PPG, how good did his team do again? I'm looking it up now, and it's not even 50 wins. Since I'm on this site looking it up, let's see what the two years before that with Wilt were win wise: 49 and 46 wins. The two years after his 50 PPG season, an awful 31 wins the very next year (but hey, Wilt got his 45 PPG!), then 48 wins after that. Didn't crack 50 wins anywhere near his best season.
It isn't until he goes to Philly that he starts winning 50+, and not coincidently, that's exactly when his scoring stats stopped being so gaudy. As great as those seasons were statistically, it wasn't leading to lots of wins and definitely didn't lead to championships. When he finally did win a le, it was the first year he averaged less than 30 PPG (way less, 24 in fact).
So I don't disagree that Chamberlain belongs high on the GOAT list because he was dominant, set a lot of records, and has the best statistical season of all time. Totally in agreement. However, Chamberlain does not belong on TOP of a real GOAT list with all that imo because winning matters a LOT in determining where people should be. Blaming Wilt's team for his lack of rings doesn't change the fact that he didn't win many either.
Show me a guy who dominates his sport nasty style, with huge stats and broken records and the full nine yards and I will be very impressed. Then tell me he only won two championships while his rival won 11, almost all during his career, and that there are multiple other super dominant players in much stronger eras who won more than twice as many championships, and I will show you a guy who doesn't belong on top of the best players list. Winning matters that much because the point of playing in the NBA is to win games and championships, not to put up the highest numbers on the scoreboard.
laker fan doesnt care because they are all now clipper fans or heat fans
les are important for the discussion, but they are not the only measure of greatness.
Robert Horry has 7 rings, but you don't see people putting him in the Top 10.
As much as I hate Achilles, I have a lot of respect for his game, tbh.
18 - 8 against Timmy in the playoffs
2009 playoff run was beastly and 2010 series vs Suns he looked closest to MJ than he ever did without a superstar, tbh.
Timmy needs to have a nice series against the Heat and win for him to solidify a spot over Kobe and Shaq, imo. Kobe's still only 34 right now, one bs trade, like Pau for Rondo or whatever could get him another Finals appearance, tbh.
Kobes done dude. No need to get Laker fans hopes up.
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