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I agree doesnt change the fact your Spurs brethen love to point out finals MVP awards ...
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I agree doesnt change the fact your Spurs brethen love to point out finals MVP awards ...
Tim has never been able to Defend his championship. He's also played with 3 other HOF'ers, the Greatest playoff 3 point shooter ever who has 5 rings in Kerr, and Continuity of 17 Years with the same team, coach and players....But STILL hasn't been able to defend a championship....
Meanwhile, Kobe won 3 straight with 1 HOF in shaq and NO other allstars, then went through an entire uphevel where only Walton was left from the Championship years. Struggled, for 3 years, and when he finally got a another player who could shoot and dribble, he went to 3 straight finals and won Back to Back. So where is the comparison?
TBH, as much as we laker fans clown Duncan and the Spurs, your franchise is the only one we respect besides Boston. But even more so because Boston won most of their rings in the primitive NBA....
Repeats are team accomplishments, you stupid nignog.
Ok, but he still hasn't done it. Isn't making the playoffs a team accomplishment, yet you like to say that Kobe missed it before and Duncan hasn't. The fact is, Duncan has had VASTLY more talent than Kobe yet has won less. Don't have a double standard on team accomplishments.
In fact, besides Hakeem, Kobe has had less help than any other Superstar in NBA history. He had 1 HOF for the first 3peat, and a teammate he MADE into an Allstar/champion in Pau. Duncan has always had Mutiple HOF teammates. So has MJ, Magic, Bird, Lebron, and Russell. This Cannot be disputed.
Duncan's '03 ranks with Hakeem '94/'95 and Dirk '11 is the only championship runs over the past 25 years without another all-star or all-nba player that year. People might argue that those were all deep teams, but in the end the nba is superstar-driven league and one superstar or star trumps multiple role players. When you talk about championship runs made without help, you always have to start with those 4 years.
Not even close.
Duncan's All star caliber teammates over the years:
'99 David Robinson
'05-'09 Manu Ginobili
'05-'13 Tony Parker
Kobe:
'97-'04 PEAK Shaquille O'Neal. A top 7 All-time great
'04 Karl Malone (20 ppg scorer the year prior)
'04 Gary Payton (20 ppg scorer the year prior)
'05-'10 Lamar Odom
'08-'12 Pau Gasol (top 3 power forward during that time)
'11-'12 Andrew Bynum (2nd best big man in the league)
'13 Dwight Howard
You should be banned for spouting such stupidity. No intelligent basketball fan would ever say Duncan has had a better supporting cast throughout the years than Kobe. The fact he played with a peak Shaq for 8 seasons is enough to invalidate that silly argument.
What are you serious? Odom never made an allstar, Bynum made only 1 and was completely a non factor during the championship runs. Pau is 0-12 in the playoffs without Kobe and Howard came off back surgery. Duncan has had more consistent help than Kobe. Deal with it. 3 HOF teammates > 1 and a possible HOF teammate.
Lol @ washed up Gary Payton and Malone being mentioned. They're just names on a jersey. The double standard on this site is insane.
Ok, but Dirk had a HOF point guard and 6th man in terry. Also, 09-10' Kobe was one of the greatest post season runs of Alltime with one allstar tests that was on the bench during the allstar game. It's not even close.
"Multiple Hall of fame teammates"
David Robinson wasn't in his hall of fame form by the time Duncan arrived. Shaq was in his hall of fame form for 8 years when he played with Kobe. Pau Gasol will be a hall of famer, another player Kobe had the luxury of playing with at his peak. If Dwight Howard resigns, add another hall of famer in his prime that Kobe will have the privilege of playing with for multiple seasons.
Tony Parker is really the only hall of famer Duncan has got to play with in his prime, a player far, far inferior to Shaq. Manu's NBA career is not hall of fame worthy.
As advanced stats become more prevalent and prominent in the NBA(advanced stats people are represented on every team except the Lakers, and front offices are now hiring them to be GMs), Kobe's career is going to progressively lose it's luster, tbh..
The future of NBA analysis and discussion will be centered around actual data and quantifiable arguments, rather than lazy, throwaway arguments like "killer instinct", tbh..
Kobe's legacy is built on a foundation of flash and deception, tbh..
Both of them averaged 20 ppg before joining the Lakers that season. Malone averaged 13 and 9 on 48 percent shooting his year with the Lakers. Gary Payton average 15 and 5 dimes on 47 percent shooting. Yeah, "washed up" indeed.
They made the NBA Finals their very first year together. The only reason the Lakers didn't win the le is because Kobe chucked his team out of the series gunning for the Finals MVP.
If Pau gets in, than so does manu. They have the same international accomplishments, except Mamu has more rings. We're talking about le runs anyway. Dwight wasnt there during Kobe's le runs. Kobe has had 1 HOF per championship run. Duncamhas had at least 2 on his last 3 les.
give it to em baby....and correction pedimalone got hurt
advanced stats are for those playing in a watered down league like Lebron....with no great team or wing defenders like MJ and Kobe faced advanced stats are nothing but a facade....
Lol, so Malone blowing out his Knee and Payton dropping off had nothing to do with the loss. And Lol on bringing up what they did the year before.
Robinson averaged 21-10 the year before their championship but you like to point out that he only did 15 and 9 in the championship run.
Richard jefferson averaged 19 Ppg the year before he went to San Antonio. You see how stupid you sound bringing up stats from the year before
Double standard.
make em bend ova Luva!
"All Star caliber" does not equal "making the All Star team."
Odom was definitely an All Star caliber player during that time. Only a moron would suggest otherwise. Bynum was not a "non factor" during those championship runs. His stats were underwhelming because the Lakers had so many other offensive weapons ahead of him, but without Bynum's presence in the paint, Orlando isn't such an easy clean and the Lakers probably don't beat Boston. No surprise that once Odom left and Gasol's role was reduced, Bynum had his best season ever.
Too bad you can't prove that.
"All Star caliber" does not equal "making the All Star team."
Odom was definitely an All Star caliber player during that time. Only a moron would suggest otherwise. Bynum was not a "non factor" during those championship runs. His stats were underwhelming because the Lakers had so many other offensive weapons ahead of him, but without Bynum's presence in the paint, Orlando isn't such an easy clean and the Lakers probably don't beat Boston. No surprise that once Odom left and Gasol's role was reduced, Bynum had his best season ever.
Too bad you can't prove that.
I just did. He's played with same HOF teammates for 3 of his le runs and most of his career. Bynum averaged 6 and 8 during the le runs and was always injured. Allstar caliber means you made the allstar team or at least reserves. He was to inconsistent to make it.
Shaq > Robinson
Parker > Gasol
Ginobli > Odom
Bowen > Bynum
its easy to see.
Richard Jefferson averaged 19 points on .439 shooting the year before joining the Spurs. He's a forgettable player and was a massive failure with the Spurs.
Gary Payton is one of the greatest point guards of all-time who joined the Lakers while he was still an All Star level player. Same with Malone.
I brought up their stats before joining the Lakers to debunk your re ed claim that they were "washed up."
Why reference Robinson again? I already conceded he was an all-star level player in '99. But Duncan never got to play with the hall of fame version of David Robinson for any period of time. Kobe got to play with peak Shaq, a top 10 all-time great, for 8 seasons. That in of itself is enough to put the "Duncan had more help than Kobe" notion to rest.
Lol, but 4 of those seasons are irrelevant The championship run didnt start until 99. So he got shaq at his absolute prime for 99-2004. That's not 8 years, that's 5 homie.
Duncam played with 17-10 Robinson in 97 and 99'. Robinson had a down year in 98.
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