General 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

[Drom John]

28th Picks Mean 13.1, Median 5.3
2001 Tony Parker 90.2
1995 Greg Ostertag 33.8
2003 Leandro Barbosa 31.5
1993 Lucious Harris 28.7
2004 Beno Udrih 25.3
2007 Tiago Splitter 15.1
1999 Scott Padgett 13.2
2005 Ian Mahinmi 8.4
2010 Greivis Vasquez 6.6
2002 Dan au 5.9
2009 Wayne Ellington 4.7
2008 Donte Greene 1.5
2011 Norris Cole 0.6
2000 Erick Barkley 0.2
2012 Perry Jones 0
1997 Keith Booth -0.8
1996 Priest Lauderdale -0.8
2006 Maurice Ager -0.9
1998 Corey Benjamin -0.9
1994 Deon Thomas n/a

58th Picks Mean 1.08, Median below -.2 and never played.
1995 Don Reid 13.7
1998 Maceo Baston 2.3
2010 Derrick Caracter 0.3
2005 Uros Slokar 0.1
2009 Lester Hudson 0
2008 Joe Crawford 0
2003 Andreas Glyniadakis -0.2
2012 Robbie Hummel n/a
2011 Ater Majok n/a
2007 Giorgios Printezis n/a
2006 J.R. Pinnock n/a
2004 Blake Stepp n/a
2000 Pete Mickeal n/a
1999 Eddie Lucas n/a
1996 Darnell Robinson n/a
2002 none
2001 none
1997 none
1994 none
1993 none

[bluebellmaniac]

28th Picks Mean 13.1, Median 5.3
2001 Tony Parker 90.2
1995 Greg Ostertag 33.8
2003 Leandro Barbosa 31.5
1993 Lucious Harris 28.7
2004 Beno Udrih 25.3
2007 Tiago Splitter 15.1
1999 Scott Padgett 13.2
2005 Ian Mahinmi 8.4
2010 Greivis Vasquez 6.6
2002 Dan au 5.9
2009 Wayne Ellington 4.7
2008 Donte Greene 1.5
2011 Norris Cole 0.6
2000 Erick Barkley 0.2
2012 Perry Jones 0
1997 Keith Booth -0.8
1996 Priest Lauderdale -0.8
2006 Maurice Ager -0.9
1998 Corey Benjamin -0.9
1994 Deon Thomas n/a

58th Picks Mean 1.08, Median below -.2 and never played.
1995 Don Reid 13.7
1998 Maceo Baston 2.3
2010 Derrick Caracter 0.3
2005 Uros Slokar 0.1
2009 Lester Hudson 0
2008 Joe Crawford 0
2003 Andreas Glyniadakis -0.2
2012 Robbie Hummel n/a
2011 Ater Majok n/a
2007 Giorgios Printezis n/a
2006 J.R. Pinnock n/a
2004 Blake Stepp n/a
2000 Pete Mickeal n/a
1999 Eddie Lucas n/a
1996 Darnell Robinson n/a
2002 none
2001 none
1997 none
1994 none
1993 none

??????What do these numbers mean?

[Bruno]

??????What do these numbers mean?

It's one me. I merged this post this thread and what it was was indicated in the le.

That's the career win shares numbers for players picked at #28 and at #58.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

why the outta order business? why not just list the last 10-20 and give those numbers? the way it looks is so sloppy.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

http://www.mynbadraft.com/nba-draft-...verall/280509/

[TheCerebral1]

The two guys that I've narrowed in on as a fan are Tony Mitc and Jamaal Franklin, both have athletic upside and can be worked easily into the system. Franklin reminds me of a smaller Kawhi with less athletism. I doubt either falls, and if they both don't Nogueira is the big.

[exstatic]

why the outta order business? why not just list the last 10-20 and give those numbers? the way it looks is so sloppy.

It's IN order of what the list is: win shares.

[exstatic]

i actually like this deal. i think it spells a no option pick up for mills though. carter is still good, i wonder if a tmac and carter reunion would be in play? and it def turns that 28 into a for sure big. , maybe a texas 3 way for robinson.

It's not the Spurs option, it's Mills'.

[BackHome]

If we do not do a trade then we probably end up with Tony Snell/SG or Jeff Whithey/C .

[exstatic]

If we do not do a trade then we probably end up with Tony Snell/SG or Jeff Whithey/C .

...or a Euro stash. Or a traded pick.

The Spurs NEVER just draft to draft.

[BackHome]

Question have we have traded out of a first round? Would you see us trading out of first and just going with two second round picks?

[td4mvp2k]

Question have we have traded out of a first round? Would you see us trading out of first and just going with two second round picks?

they could cuz of da players there hi to mid in da 2nd rd or trade da pick for players who aint rooks

The Phoenix Suns have investigated the possibility of another first-round pick beyond their No. 5 and No. 30 slots.

“We’ve talked to a few teams about getting in the draft at different ranges,” Ryan McDonough said. “We have good assets to do that. We have to evaluate all of these guys, figure out where they’re going to go. And then if we can get in at a particular range where a guy is undervalued, we’ll try to get in and get him there.”

McDonough worked out six players on Friday, including C.J. Leslie, who could be on the board when it’s time for the Suns to make their second selection.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns...nclick_check=1

[td4mvp2k]

Question have we have traded out of a first round?

gortat, scola or beasley for spurs pick?

[exstatic]

Question have we have traded out of a first round? Would you see us trading out of first and just going with two second round picks?

It's happened before, a number of times. If they don't like who's on the board, they will. They never just draft to draft.

[Richie]

So what are the odds that the Hawks want to dump #19 for salary to go after free agents? I'd love Jamaal Franklin there.

[jesterbobman]

So what are the odds that the Hawks want to dump #19 for salary to go after free agents? I'd love Jamaal Franklin there.

Pretty slim, considering the Cavs have 19th pick.

Seriously though, I'd say pretty low. The difference between 17th/18th pick cap hold and the roster charge is pretty small. Far better off keeping Rookie deals. Not like you wouldn't have bidders if you got to Free agency and had to dump them if CP3 and Dwight decided to come. Surely some team with cap space would do 17th/18th for cash/TPE/pick, if needed.

[Chinook]

^Yeah, the Hawks have to be practical here. They may well end up with no free agents this off-season, and if that happens, the team is basically in rebuilding mode. Those picks would probably help them a lot there. The cap holds wouldn't prevent the Hawks from signing Paul and Splitter, either. And if the Hawks do target Splitter, then whoever they draft there could be used as bait to get the Spurs to agree to a sign-and-trade. Teams like Dallas and Cleveland are probably more likely to make deals on draft night.

Changing gears: Let's say, for example, that Bruno's suggested trade of Robinson and 34 for Bonner goes through. How far would 34 and 28 get the Spurs? Looking at recent trades, it could probably get the Spurs into the 22-24 range. Is there anyone projected that worth targeting?

[DrunkTXLabrat]

It's not the Spurs option, it's Mills'.

whatever. hypothetical. if the spurs take on cunningham? and there's a tmac and carter reunion. i think mills finds the future mins. situation difficult. no player opt in. unless maybe to play with Australian folks? cojo and decolo, too. decolo minutes have an impact. hanga. manu. the spurs could have a pretty interesting amount of depth.

[Richie]

Pretty slim, considering the Cavs have 19th pick.

Seriously though, I'd say pretty low. The difference between 17th/18th pick cap hold and the roster charge is pretty small. Far better off keeping Rookie deals. Not like you wouldn't have bidders if you got to Free agency and had to dump them if CP3 and Dwight decided to come. Surely some team with cap space would do 17th/18th for cash/TPE/pick, if needed.

My point was more about using the pick to dump a guaranteed contract for an expiring. For example, 18 + Lou Williams for Bonner + Baynes (both unguaranteed). That saves them nearly $4m in cap room.

Im not sure if the Hawks have any guaranteed contracts they want to dump, but could be an option.

[Richie]

^Yeah, the Hawks have to be practical here. They may well end up with no free agents this off-season, and if that happens, the team is basically in rebuilding mode. Those picks would probably help them a lot there. The cap holds wouldn't prevent the Hawks from signing Paul and Splitter, either. And if the Hawks do target Splitter, then whoever they draft there could be used as bait to get the Spurs to agree to a sign-and-trade. Teams like Dallas and Cleveland are probably more likely to make deals on draft night.

Changing gears: Let's say, for example, that Bruno's suggested trade of Robinson and 34 for Bonner goes through. How far would 34 and 28 get the Spurs? Looking at recent trades, it could probably get the Spurs into the 22-24 range. Is there anyone projected that worth targeting?

I think two players in that range are more valuable than a player in the low 20s. By all accounts the talent level from around 18-40 is all about the same, there's a lot of role player potential and not much else.

If someone like Franklin or Dieng falls that low they might want to have a deal in place but it sounds like there is potential for a couple of role players at #28 and #34.

[jesterbobman]

My point was more about using the pick to dump a guaranteed contract for an expiring. For example, 18 + Lou Williams for Bonner + Baynes (both unguaranteed). That saves them nearly $4m in cap room.

Im not sure if the Hawks have any guaranteed contracts they want to dump, but could be an option.

Yeah, I get that. I just think that in general, there's a lot of similarity between liking players, and dumping two recent first round picks shouldn't be too hard if you find out you'll get people in free agency. Charlotte accepts/Should accept a deal to take 17th, 18th and Lou Williams in a heartbeat, so I can't see any reason to trade them early and get the draft rights.

If they heard through back channels/unofficial communication that they could get big Free agents, they could look at trades to teams with multiple early 2nds(Cleveland, Portland) to get players who won't effect the cap as much.

[CGD]

The more I think of it, I really dont know who the Spurs would trade up to get in this draft. If Adetokunbo is available in the late first round, the players I would want the Spurs to move up for are:

Steven Adams
Rudy Gobert
Dario Saric (though this guy may be available late)

[Captivus]

The more I think of it, I really dont know who the Spurs would trade up to get in this draft. If Adetokunbo is available in the late first round, the players I would want the Spurs to move up for are:

Steven Adams
Rudy Gobert
Dario Saric (though this guy may be available late)

The last thing I heard, this guy withdraw from the draft...lets google it...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...he-first-round

Is this confirmed?
Strange that no team has promised him a pick.

[BackHome]

Well I think he also pulled out of camp and he is not working out with any teams so I think it is safe to say he is not coming this year.

[jyra]

http://www.talkbasket.net/7829-kupsa...ot-at-nba.html

After putting up solid performances in the Adidas EuroCamp in Treviso, Mindaugas Kupsas put his name back on the NBA radar. Sources have informed TalkBasket.net that the 22-year-old big man has received multiple invitations to work out for teams in the States. According to reports coming from Treviso, the San Antonio Spurs are one of the teams that are interested in the player, and are exploring the option to draft Kupsas in the second round.

The 7-footer, who played for Lietkabelis Panevezys this season, has shown definite signs of improvement, upping his averages to 10.5 points and 5.5 rebounds in the Lithuanian League (LKL) and 9.8 points, 5.9 rebounds and 1.7 blocks in the Baltic Basketball League (BBL).

Kupsas is expected to be a late second round option for various NBA teams, who consider his combination of size and skill a worthy long-term investment and a potential project to stash overseas.