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giving up at 2 is better than giving up a three..
As everybody knows, Lebron is one of my top 3 favorite non-Spurs players and I constantly defend him, tbh..
I don't agree with Pop's decision to send help all game..
- Lebron isn't a chucker, he's looking to pass before shooting..he's a team player..it's evident through the first 2 games that he's waiting for doubles and deferring to teammates..he has yet to dominate the Spurs in 1 on 1 situations..
- Miami's shooters are hot, they're getting wide open looks all game..Ray Allen was useless against Indiana, he has had a resurgence with all these open looks..Mike Miller is getting great looks, as is Chalmers..
- The Spurs perimeter defenders don't understand how to double..Leonard is a good help defender, Green and Manu are occasionally good helping, but overall, the Spurs perimeter players are too slow to recover to Miami's shooters, either due to lack of speed, or poor positioning..
Would you continue sending help against James or allow him to win the game alone?.
giving up at 2 is better than giving up a three..
damn, when you have to agree with Harlem you know hit the fan
Coming into this series I actually thought this would be a large part of Pop's gameplan. They should especially play James as a passer to start the game, his tendency is to look to get his teammates going early.
Pop should tell his perimeter players under no cir stance do you leave their shooters. NONE.
Harlem what do you think of potentially the Spurs playing James as a passer them start doubling him in the fourth quarter?
Let LeBron try and win the game on his own IMO. Back when the Spurs were playing the Suns back in 05' Amare Stoudemire had some 35-40 point games if I remember correctly. He got his, but they lost the games. I disagree with helping so damn much as well. I say let Kawhi/Green play him 1 on 1 and if you are going to bring help bring it from the inside with Tim or Tiago, not guys from the perimeter. Stick to the shooters at all times..
I started a thread on the same subject and agree. Stop sending help ALL GAME LONG. Especially when Allen and/or Miller are in the game. In fact if they are, basically don't ever save for some cases where it may be worth the risk. It's basically suicide to double Lebron because he's tall, athletic, great vision and perfect at passing. You double him, I guarantee the following occurs: he won't panic and he will find the open man with a perfect pass. Every time. You can't force Lebron into a bad pass via doubling, unless his teammates are positioned terribly.
A few times to send help is fine, but if you're going to double as de facto strategy whenever Lebron gets the ball on the elbow or low block, eventually the Heat will murder you.
Said this same thing in several threads. Let him get his ala Amare. Stay home on the wings.
Sad part is, Pop is a stubborn man so we'll prob see this all series.
Pretty much what iced the game against us, too many open threes. Let Lebron take a contested two over an open three.
Agreed. They have too much shooting and not only that, they were due for some serious regression to the mean (it also helps that they're able to play their preferred small ball for long stretches against the Spurs and will continue to, so long as Splitter keeps up his playoffs long Bargnani impression). Predictably, Allen, Miller and now Chalmers and Bosh, can't seem to miss.
Even with this strategy, James is going to get around 20. If they're going to spot their shooters 10 wide open threes, plus the few difficult ones they're inevitably going to make per game, it becomes too much to overcome.
Agree...adjustment for game 3, whether from the start or at half, will be to play him more straight up.
the defense is far for been the problem. the ofense was horrible, lots of turnovers, and not easy shots, parker couldnt go in the paint.
even with a blowout the heat was only 70 points by the end of the third, so the spurs turn a lot of times and couldnt get a basket to save their lifes.
Disagree. The halfcourt defense is working pretty damn well. The easiest way to lose against the Heat is for LeBron to go buck wild. If you make him rely on teammates, they may still beat you but at least it's more challenging.
Maybe if Wade and Bosh were playing well you'd live with LeBron getting all he can eat. But with LeBron far and away the biggest threat on the floor, I believe it's the right move to shade your defense towards him.
What needs to improve is the recognition of who you can leave, who you can't, who needs a quick rotation and who you close out soft on.
Game 2 was about the offense collapsing, IMO. The turnovers and then the quick shots got the Heat some easy buckets in transition and semi transition and that was enough to beat the sputtering Spurs offense.
Don't fix what ain't broke, IMO.
I agree. Stay home on the shooters.
Co-sign.. Also don't pull Danny if he's giving you everything on offense and defense
This is the Adjustment. Wade again admitted he was tired and Lebron is playing exhausted. Make those guys beat you and shut down the rest. I think Lebron and Wade wear down. Green and Kawhi got this.
You basically can't leave any of their shooters though. Chalmers, Allen, Miller, and Battier can all shoot. The only guy you could possibly leave is Cole and he doesnt even play much. Everyone knows LeBron would rather pass than shoot so why help him out by sagging on him and letting him better see his open shooters?
Wade and Lebron admitted to being exhausted. Keep up the quick pace and double occasionally just to mix things up. Lebron got so tired Green swatted his crap.
Pop has mental lapses and over thinks his . We kept doing this in GS series and it almost ed us up. No double teams, just let Lebron shoot his and get tired, let him carry the load and limit everyone else. I hate that we left them open for so many open shots and we were okay with it. No timeouts, no adjustments. The worse thing is that with all that ty play we could have won this game.. We led by 3 late in the 3rd and then for some reason Gary Neal starts running the point while Tony is in the corner and Manu is coming over to help.. It's stupid offense. Tim played like , Tony played like and Manu was scooping manure all game long.
@ timvp, i agree with shading lebron, but only the bigs should help when he's posting up, the spurs help all the way from perimeter where chalmers/allen are one pass away, imo thats not gonna cut it, you leave those shooters open theyre capable of hitting a huge %
their offense collapsed but it was more spurs not being able to defend the lebron/chalmers pnr that blew this game open
I agree. Lebron averaged 39-8-8 in '09 and still lost. Might as well give it a try.
especially since he's crying about being tired. Giving him rest and letting Allen & Miller shoot open 3s is a misstep.
Exactly I would rather give up a contested 2 than an uncontested corner 3.
The stategy caught the Heat and Lebron by surprise in game 1. But I don't think it's going to work anymore.
Agree 100%. This was on Parker,Duncan, Manu and Leonard all being terrible offensively.
If they all made 25% more of their shots spurs win.
Allen/Chalmers/Miller had a combined 8 threes. Lebron only had 17 and didn't even really get going until the 4th quarter. Spurs lost by 19.....I think it's safe to say the current strategy is broken. I think going the Amare 2005 route would be worth a try.....let's see what happens when the Heat shooters have to score after putting the ball on the floor.
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