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    No, "must win" gets thrown around way too much. It's different mentally for a team when it really is a must win. For the team that it isn't playing a must win game, winning is that much more impressive.

    A good example is WCF game 3. Must win for the Grizzlies, they came out playing out of their minds because they had the emotion of their backs to the wall. For the Spurs to come back and win that game, it was *extremely* impressive.

    Game 2 was not a must win for the Spurs, and neither is game 4. We know what happened in game 2. If they are able to take game 4, in a must win for Miami, the series is over. That's why it's called a must win game. If the Spurs lose, the series is far from over. It's hard to match a team of this talent that has its back to the wall when your back isn't. If they can do it, appreciate how hard it is to do.
    that's my point though on ST you have on each and every game of whatever serie a thread is been created with game x is a must win

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    that's my point though on ST you have on each and every game of whatever serie a thread is been created with game x is a must win
    now in the finals against a great team like Miami all games are must win

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    The next logical adjustment for the Heat is less trapping and staying home on the 3-point shooters. They're gonna force a gimpy Parker and a struggling Ginobili to make all the plays.

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    -After Game 2, I said I wanted Bonner added back to the rotation for his ability to stretch the floor -- knowing full well that Bonner wouldn't actually hit the open shots on a stage this big. Pop made this obvious switch and it played out as expected. Even with Bonner out there missing, the Heat were forced to empty the weakside paint. When Diaw plays, they zone off of him -- so Bonner's reputation, at the very least, is helpful against the Heat.
    Huh? Bonner's first two looks the Heat didn't have anyone within ten feet of him. Both attempts clanged harmlessly off the rim.

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    Manu's pass to Splitter for a dunk at the end of the third was a huge play for the Spurs. James was starting to score and the Spurs looked like they were going to breakdown. That play lead perfectly for Neal to do his thing to open the 4th.

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    Miami is capable of the same type of barrage shooting.

    But we got it last night.

    Next.

    Tim, right block on Haslem and abuse him please. Make them send help and if they don't, game 1 performance again.

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    The next logical adjustment for the Heat is less trapping and staying home on the 3-point shooters. They're gonna force a gimpy Parker and a struggling Ginobili to make all the plays.
    I'd agree, but at the same time, Spoelstra seems to think they just didn't defend hard enough. Their trapping the pick and roll is their bread and butter though defensively, and I think they are too stubborn/arrogant to completely go away from that.

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    Huh? Bonner's first two looks the Heat didn't have anyone within ten feet of him. Both attempts clanged harmlessly off the rim.
    Yeah, that whole spreading the floor thing makes no sense since nobody covered him for like three shots. He also managed to leave Mike Miller completely alone at least once.

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    The next logical adjustment for the Heat is less trapping and staying home on the 3-point shooters. They're gonna force a gimpy Parker and a struggling Ginobili to make all the plays.
    Actually if they do that on pick and rolls, they end up forcing Tim Duncan and Tiago Splitter to score easily inside. Not really a good poison to pick.

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    Huh? Bonner's first two looks the Heat didn't have anyone within ten feet of him. Both attempts clanged harmlessly off the rim.
    The game just seems way too fast for him. Even when he is wide open.

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    Congrats Spurs…No other team in the West could play this well against The LeBron’s…
    Cheers! Thanks!

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    I'd agree, but at the same time, Spoelstra seems to think they just didn't defend hard enough. Their trapping the pick and roll is their bread and butter though defensively, and I think they are too stubborn/arrogant to completely go away from that.
    +1

    The heat feed off the turnovers those traps create. If those opportunities aren't there the game is going to slow down even more which means whoever does best in halfcourt execution will win which favors the spurs.

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    One thing I am thinking about game 4: if the Spurs can survive an early Miami onslaught, I think they can break the will of the Heat. I agree that LBJ should not be given as much space to shoot in game 4, because I think he is going to aggressively take those shots, at least to start the game. If you can force him into a bad start again, I think he will have another bad game. The key is to not let him get going.

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    Keep it up Spurs.

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    Yeah, that whole spreading the floor thing makes no sense since nobody covered him for like three shots. He also managed to leave Mike Miller completely alone at least once.
    That, and don't forget the offensive rebound and put back by Ray Allen while Bonner stood three feet away in the paint trying to figure out how to box out air.

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    That, and don't forget the offensive rebound and put back by Ray Allen while Bonner stood three feet away in the paint trying to figure out how to box out air.
    Yet another reason I refuse to "apologize" to Gary Neal is that he and Bonner collectively failed to block out Ray Allen on that play.

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    That, and don't forget the offensive rebound and put back by Ray Allen while Bonner stood three feet away in the paint trying to figure out how to box out air.
    I remember that play, that was all on Gary Neal. Not only was he supposed to be guarding him, he made no effort whatsoever to box him out or even put his body on him, just allowed him to waltz straight in for prime rebounding position. This is a prime example of why Neal needs to be shooting lights out .. because if he's not he's almost always giving up free points like a sieve.

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    - I agree. It's hard to take away anything from the offense today. We can't expect to hit 16 threes next game. That said, I think 4 or 5 those occurred after Spurs already had a 20+ lead in the 4th.
    - I loved the energy from TD and Tiago. Just need to put up stronger shots. Enough with the weaksauce shots. Make them pay for making midgets guard you.
    - I'm worried about the hard blitzes on TP. It was fine in Game 3 since the others were hitting threes but can't rely on that moving forward.
    - The one thing I was looking for (aside from Manu's shooting touch), was more movement on O. And I did see that tonight. Not a lot of standing around that just plays right into the Heat's hands. Guys were moving without the ball, trying to free themselves up as best they can, making the quick extra pass, and running every chance they got off of turnovers.
    - I loved every singled one of Whi's rebounds, even though it was preceded or followed by another point-blank miss.

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    The next logical adjustment for the Heat is less trapping and staying home on the 3-point shooters. They're gonna force a gimpy Parker and a struggling Ginobili to make all the plays.
    I'd agree, but at the same time, Spoelstra seems to think they just didn't defend hard enough. Their trapping the pick and roll is their bread and butter though defensively, and I think they are too stubborn/arrogant to completely go away from that.
    I actually agree with Spoelstra. What makes the Heat so tough defensively are those blitzing traps. Playing straight up they're not anything special, especially on the interior, where they made Hibbert look like the second coming of Kareem.

    If Parker is gimpy, then that's even more reason to trap.

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    I remember that play, that was all on Gary Neal. Not only was he supposed to be guarding him, he made no effort whatsoever to box him out or even put his body on him, just allowed him to waltz straight in for prime rebounding position. This is a prime example of why Neal needs to be shooting lights out .. because if he's not he's almost always giving up free points like a sieve.
    I agree, Neal missed the primary assignment on the box out.

    But for goodness sake, you're 6'8", it's the Finals, get your ass in there and fight for the board.

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    - I agree. It's hard to take away anything from the offense today. We can't expect to hit 16 threes next game. That said, I think 4 or 5 those occurred after Spurs already had a 20+ lead in the 4th.
    - I loved the energy from TD and Tiago. Just need to put up stronger shots. Enough with the weaksauce shots. Make them pay for making midgets guard you.
    - I'm worried about the hard blitzes on TP. It was fine in Game 3 since the others were hitting threes but can't rely on that moving forward.
    - The one thing I was looking for (aside from Manu's shooting touch), was more movement on O. And I did see that tonight. Not a lot of standing around that just plays right into the Heat's hands. Guys were moving without the ball, trying to free themselves up as best they can, making the quick extra pass, and running every chance they got off of turnovers.
    - I loved every singled one of Whi's rebounds, even though it was preceded or followed by another point-blank miss.
    I will mildly disagree with the thought that there's not much to takeaway regarding our offense, for the following reasons.

    - Partly because of what you said in point 4--great movement without the ball--but primarily because from the very first possession the Spurs were aggressive in making quick moves WITH the ball. IIRC, TD got the ball near the elbow on the first possession and he immediately went into his move before Bosh could set. That was a recurring theme throughout this game and something I was screaming about at the TV during Game 2. With the Heat's hyper-aggressive trapping, a split second hesitation by whoever gets the ball from TP is all it takes for the defenders to get back in good position. Quick moves negate that and expose the Heat's scrambling to get back in position. Couple more passes from there and we suddenly end up with guys wide open.

    - Agreed that Danny and Neal can't be expected to hit a zillion threes in the next game...in general our reliance on the 3 has made me a little nervous about this team. On the other hand, I counted at least six routine layups that we missed...Tiago and TD primarily I think. Also Tony missed a point blank floater from the baseline. So, I expect those two factors (3 pt and shots close to the basket) to balance out in the next game. The Spurs ought to get 95 points a game here on out.

    - Oh, and Neal has been and will be our best midrange shooter. I love it when he takes that 18 footer. Not so much when he's initiating the PnR, but wow did they expose Miller and Allen on defense yesterday.

    - Manu was way more aggressive in taking it to the rim. Let's hope he keeps it up.

    - Another thing we did on offense that I did not see in the first two games was our patented misdirection picks. First two games it seemed like TP was one and done. In game 3 I thought TD and Tiago did a good job of resetting their picks from a different angle after the initial one. Couple of times Tiago changed direction at the last minute to spring TP or Manu in a different direction than where the defense was anticipating. We did a ton of that against Memphis, so I was puzzled that it disappeared until now.

    - I was curious about Jeff Van Gundy talking about preferring to see TD on the right block instead of the left, and in my subjective mind, TD did look better on the right side in this game. But it's a little concerning that TD seems to struggle against Haslem. Kinda reminded me of the 05 finals when Horry seemed to bother TD.

    - Lastly on offense, it was nice to see Kawhi finally make a few long shots.

    - On defense, I agree with what others have said, but especially with what timvp said about giving LeBron that much room. It's one thing to dare a guy to shoot, but potentially suicidal to let him shoot like he's at practice. Most NBA players will probably make the majority of their shots if they're that wide open. I don't know why LeBron didn't take up that challenge yesterday, but I'm sure he'll shoot freely in the next game.

    - Also on defense, at Kawhi just stealing the ball from people's hands like taking away candy from a child.

    On a different topic, wtf happened on that play when the Spurs fast break was led by Kawhi, TD, and Tiago? And only two Heat players made it back.

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    I agree, Neal missed the primary assignment on the box out.

    But for goodness sake, you're 6'8", it's the Finals, get your ass in there and fight for the board.
    Neal is 6 foot 4, an undersized unathletic 2-guard, but one uva a scorer.

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    It really was flat out shocking to see how far down low the Spurs were willing to dive under screens and give up jumpers to Wade in that 1q. We're talking 10 feet out and under! I'm not sure what goes through Wade's mind that he won't take a 10 foot jumper but I can promise you that won't be the case in Game 4. And hes' going to make some of those so the Spurs will have to adjust. Spo is always a step behind so if Pop can have a plan ready to go to and mix it up then I like their chances of keeping them guessing.

    Also, in the first quarter Bosh missed about 4-5 open jumpers 18 feet and in. That's probably not going to happen again and even making a couple of those really changes the complexion of the game. Many people will NEVER mention that but I feel those missed jumpers really changed the game in the Spurs favor.

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    Dam my man you know your , all my drunk ass saw was 3 pointers poppin' net




    na but good stuff, I like reading these cause I know what to look closer to during the next game. Spurs in 7!!

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    It really was flat out shocking to see how far down low the Spurs were willing to dive under screens and give up jumpers to Wade in that 1q. We're talking 10 feet out and under! I'm not sure what goes through Wade's mind that he won't take a 10 foot jumper but I can promise you that won't be the case in Game 4. And hes' going to make some of those so the Spurs will have to adjust. Spo is always a step behind so if Pop can have a plan ready to go to and mix it up then I like their chances of keeping them guessing.

    Also, in the first quarter Bosh missed about 4-5 open jumpers 18 feet and in. That's probably not going to happen again and even making a couple of those really changes the complexion of the game. Many people will NEVER mention that but I feel those missed jumpers really changed the game in the Spurs favor.
    Bosh is messed up and playing without confidence. Wade is not healthy. Those two reasons give the Spurs a big edge now.

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