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maybe you meant Lebron is surrounded by ex talented players.
that's because you don't need a strategy to defend Achilles, he just chucks his team out of the game pretty much without anyone even asking.
maybe you meant Lebron is surrounded by ex talented players.
Harlem, is that you?
Well, to be fair, Jordan and Kobe both TRIED to do it.
It resulted in a bunch of 1st and 2nd round losses for them though. Lebron has somehow gotten to the finals 4 times now, and has won once, perhaps a second time. Does anyone honestly think, that if Lebron had a guy like prime Pippen, or prime Gasol at his side (basically, someone who can consistently manufacture points on their own and have an offense ran through them at times to take heat off the #1 option), that he wouldn't have already won 3-4 championships by now? How about having a prime Shaq to play alongside?
I'm not sure any player in history has done more with less help, than Lebron has.
not really.. well i'm not really one to defend them, but really Allen wouldn't be with the Heat for 3M if he wasn't a TOSB, Wade's knees are well known, James Jones and Mike Miller would have retired last year if not for their guaranteed big money, Shane Battier is officially a TOSB Kidd style. They did well in picking Andersen, but he too, was out of the league and is pretty old himself. I'm not saying that he needs more help or whatever, just that it's not easy to create such an awesome roster as the spurs did, and it's unfair to expect Lebron to guard pretty much everybody while fighting through triple screens.
i agree, but i just don't think it would make as much difference if he had a prime Pippen instead of a TOSB Wade against this year's Spurs, there is just to many poisons out there and the whole team needs to contribute. It just isn't a starpower thing.
This.
They are pretty much doing EXACTLY what the Mavs did in 11. He didn't choke against Dallas like people want to say and believe. They took his strengths away, and outside of Wade, no one consistently stepped up to help, plus they had no way to consistently contain Dirk on defense. San Antonio is doing the same, in taking his strengths away. So far though, on defense the problem has been that the Spurs have been shooting lights out. I'm curious to see that when Miami makes some adjustments, and those 3's stop falling, if anyone can carry the team the way Dirk did for the Mavs. I think Miami is equipped to keep Parker from being that guy, as defense on perimeter players seem to be their specialty. They are good at taking away strengths from guards, but big men can really hurt them. Duncan is the guy who needs to step up for that purpose IMO.
errr... prime Pippen would definitely have been the difference between a close 4 point loss, and a Heat win in game 1. Wade was absolutely awful in all aspects of the game, especially defense. Pippen wouldn't have been so pathetically bad defensively, and would have done the junk work that Miami sorely lacked in that game, like rebounding, boxing out, and bringing energy in general to the team.
That would be like saying its a travesty that the 1996 Rockets didn't win it all, since they had future HOFs in Hakeem (one of the best Cs ever), Barkley (one of the best PFs ever), and Drexler (one of the best SGs ever).
Wade, Bosh, and Allen are all TOSBs at this point.
4 straight finals for Lebron? Aren't you getting ahead of yourself? But, I see where you're going with this. He's halfway to becoming Jim Kelly. That's some rarefied air right there. Too bad the Bills couldn't benefit from a strike shortened season. Maybe they'd have on too.
Wow, nobody complained about Wade and Bosh last postseason. And now they're washed up. Well, that was fast.
Bosh is 29 years old
no supporting cast
Exactly. And Wade is only 31. This is just another HarlemHeat cry me a river thread. Usually pops up everytime the heat lose a game as a way of giving tribute to Lebron and laying out his teammates.
I can kinda reply to both of you at once (both replied to me/the same post).
Sometimes you have to give credit to the defense. I know you guys hate hearing me say like this, but fans who didn't follow the Spurs probably didn't realize how good Danny Green, Kawhi Leonard, and Tim Duncan were defensively this year. The Spurs' best 3 defenders play and defend the positions of Miami's big 3. That isn't an accident, the Spurs organization did that on purpose (at least in the case of adding Leonard and grooming Green).
Their big 3 was never going to run over the Spurs and light them up. They don't have the best guys in the NBA for the job, but they definitely have the right type of guys for the job. All three pretty much focus most of their energy on defense but are still scoring threats. It was a very favorable matchup going into the series.
Wade is the same age as Parker. Bosh is 2 years younger. Ray Allen, maybe, but dude is the same age as Duncan and has been making plenty of shots.
hitting some wide open shots, and having an offense ran through you are two completely different things.
if you could choose between running an offense through Steve Kerr or Scottie Pippen, who do you take?
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dumbass reasoning tbh. not a shocker considering the moron its coming from
Ah, so being of young age means more than the level that you are playing at.
Wade is the same age as Parker. Bosh is 2 years younger. Ray Allen, maybe, but dude is the same age as Duncan and has been making plenty of shots.
Gotcha.
Yeah, this argument would be relevant, if Wade and Bosh were playing like they were 29 and 31. They are playing at a level that you would expect from either washed up superstars at 34 and 36. Either that, or perhaps they were simply never quite as good or talented as people believed they were. Or maybe they are simply more injured than we thought they were. Either way, they most certainly are not playing like stars in their prime, like you would expect from a 29 and 31 year old. Something here isn't adding up by the way they are playing.
wtf are you talking about? who said anything about 4 straight finals?
so now the Heat offense has to run through Allen, Miller and Bigbird????hitting some wide open shots, and having an offense ran through you are two completely different things.
if you could choose between running an offense through Steve Kerr or Scottie Pippen, who do you take?
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dumbass reasoning tbh. not a shocker considering the moron its coming from
if that's the case the Heat would have lost long ago. LMAO all those players mentioned prove the Heat 3 have a good supporting cast.
It's up to the big 3, which are all 31 or younger to step up.
you are really embarrassing yourself out here
who said to run the offense through them? initially, i said he isn't getting support. you said "oh but some shooters and slashers are scoring at a high percentageso now the Heat offense has to run through Allen, Miller and Bigbird????
if that's the case the Heat would have lost long ago. LMAO all those players mentioned prove the Heat 3 have a good supporting cast.
what has Wade or Bosh done all postseason to make anyone believe they are playing at a level other than what you would expect from a TOSB? nothing.It's up to the big 3, which are all 31 or younger to step up.
you are really embarrassing yourself out here
they are not literally TOSB, but these playoffs, they are playing as if they are.
LOL all Lebron the "GOAT" needs is to have shooters around him (along with Wade and Bosh). What are you saying, that he needs prime Steve Nash out there now?who said to run the offense through them? initially, i said he isn't getting support. you said "oh but some shooters and slashers are scoring at a high percentage
the Heat was assembled this way, Lebron was supposed to run the entire offense along with Wade.
If you are saying the Heat team as constructed is flawed, then that's a different story. The 3 superfriends united to have THIS kind of team. It's on them.
and Ginobili and Parker are playing like TOSB this series too.what has Wade or Bosh done all postseason to make anyone believe they are playing at a level other than what you would expect from a TOSB? nothing.
they are not literally TOSB, but these playoffs, they are playing as if they are.
what superstar has ever carried a team to a championship with nothing except shooters around him? basically every championship team has always had at least one other option that you can run an offense through effectively.LOL all Lebron the "GOAT" needs is to have shooters around him (along with Wade and Bosh). What are you saying, that he needs prime Steve Nash out there now?
I agree. Except there has been one problem... Wade has not shown any capability of running an offense in this postseason.the Heat was assembled this way, Lebron was supposed to run the entire offense along with Wade.
It is somewhat flawed, but should have not been something that they would struggle to overcome. Then again, as I said earlier, perhaps Bosh and Wade simply were not as good as we thought, and were mainly stat- s on bad teams, with the exception of Wade playing alongside a motivated Shaq that actually was in shape for a couple years (who mainly wanted to stick it to Kobe). Funny thing is, there was never talk of Wade winning MVP when they played together. Only talk of Shaq. Perhaps Wade got overrated somewhere along the line... who knows? Either way, he pretty much hasn't looked anything like we expected him to look when they put this team together.
Parker played fine in game 1. Game 3 the Spurs needed to have garbage like Gary Neal and Danny Green somehow combine for 51 points, along with the Heat being incapable of hitting anything.and Ginobili and Parker are playing like TOSB this series too.
There is plenty of series left to be played, and I fully expect Miami to win in the end. But if Wade and Bosh keep playing this bad, it won't matter what Lebron does, Miami simply won't be able to win. That's what's ridiculous here, is that everyone is trying to find any way to blame Lebron for these struggles, but how can you, when he is getting doubled and tripled every time he tries to make an aggressive move to the bucket, and consistently gets trapped on the perimeter? San Antonio is just BEGGING Wade and Bosh to hit some wide open shots, and they are not coming through. If they found a way to make San Antonio pay for the way they are defending LeBron, then things would be much different. But so far, they aren't, and so obviously LeBron is struggling. No different than MJs struggles in his early years when teams like Boston and Detroit would send waves of defenders at him, and dare his teammates to step up, and they often didn't. He had some pretty poor shooting games and series in those years. When Pippen finally grew a pair and made defenses pay for how they defended MJ, things changed.
I didn't read the entire thread because most of you don't have anything to say that's worth reading, however Lebron's struggles are caused by the amount of expectations heaped on him. He's not good at carrying the torch alone. He's been told by Wade (no less) that he's taking too many shots. then he's tries to get Wade involved and then he's told he's not shooting enough. He's expected to always lead in rebounds, assists and points. Meanwhile Bosh and Wade are legriding him for all he's worth. Mike Miller can hit from anywhere, but he's not getting the touches to make a difference. Wade is an anchor around Lebron's ankles, the whole "it's his team" thing is costing the Heat. They think they have to have all three stars performing but it's more of an effort to get everyone involved than it is to just play the game as it comes to them. Second guessing shots and trying to force things so everyone gets involved because that's what they say he needs to do, that's costing Lebron the swag he would have if he were just running the offense and others were getting touches where they can get them.
The Spurs will have the paint open now, so Tony has to drive and the bigs have to finish. However at the other end Lebron has to continue to shoot with confidence. He cannot abandon what got him here. Their problems stem from lack of perimeter defense, yet no one is talking about that.
Mario Chalmers is not scrub. He's a veteran of many Finals and would start on many NBA teams. Chalmers > Kerr tbh
the shooters are there
agree. plenty of Finals to be played. Spurs big 3 have been playing poorly as well this series. I don't see either big 3 outplaying the other so far. At the same time, you cannot say Green, Neal + Kawhi are shooting fluke , you have Miller and Allen shooting same fluky .
So far the difference has been the coaching IMO
still long series to go, unless Lebron quits
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