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True. If Vinny Del Negro is benching your ass, u know damn well you're a horrible player. GSW dodged the bullet.
See, that's what I don't get. The Clippers are trying to trade for Garnett to upgrade from Jordan. So including Jordan as an asset the Celtics are getting makes no sense to me. Essentially, Boston is sending the better player to the Clippers, and they should be compensated for doing so. If Los Angeles truly feels that upgrading to KG will put them into true contender status, then they think he's significantly better than DJ. Therefore, it's not fair price for them to try to just pay a low first-round pick (which is nearly worthless to a rebuilding team). They should give up at least another draft pick, and a promising but limited young player is certainly not out of the realm of proper value.
True. If Vinny Del Negro is benching your ass, u know damn well you're a horrible player. GSW dodged the bullet.
The thing with DJ is, he blows, but he's also somehow a trade asset who's reportedly coveted around the league, essentially for being a young big with "potential"....
Additionally, why should we give up Bledsoe when we don't have to? The Celtics have zero leverage here, while the Clippers can walk away, hire a good coach and still make power moves....
The Clippers are supposedly including 1st draft pick(s). Trading a younger Jordan for an older player. Boston is rebuilding, and if Doc gets an exit card. Additionally, Pierce will be bought out. They have no use for Garnett.
TBH, Ainge has the leverage. They also don't need to trade Garnett and absorb DJ's awful contract (understood its 2 years, still a horrible one nonetheless). KG is still an absolute monster on the defensive end, he brings value beyond numbers to any team willing to trade for him. DJ practically doesn't bring anything of value other than the occasional highlight reel. Boston holds all the cards. Clippers are itching for a better coach (Doc) and better big man (KG). Additionally, Clippers can also upgrade from Butler to acquiring Pierce.
that said, the bottomline here is still top dollar. Diamond Don has been known to screw his franchise over and over again by skipping on a few million dollars. Still:So if the Clippers wanted to trade for Garnett and Pierce, who make $28,356,610, in one big mega-trade before July 1, they would need to send out at least $22,605,288. Let's start with DeAndre Jordan, who makes $10,532,977, and Caron Butler, who makes $8,000,000. Those two add up to $18,532,977. The Clippers would still need another $4,072,311 under this scenario, which would not be met even if they included Eric Bledsoe and Willie Green, who combine to make less than that. They could make it work if they included Jamal Crawford, but sources say Crawford would not be included in the deal. That means the Clippers would go to the second option, which would be doing two separate trades. In this scenario, according to Coon, they get 150 percent or $5 million rather than just the 125 percent they get by acquiring them together. So they could trade Jordan and Bledsoe for Pierce and then Butler for Garnett. These two separate but parallel trades would work from a numbers standpoint.
If they wait until after July 1, they need to send out $22,133,656 if they wanted to trade for both together. Jordan and Butler add up to $18,986,550, so they'd need another $3,147,106. Bledsoe and Green would add up to enough. Separately they'd need to send out $7,433,735 for Garnett, and Butler is still enough there, and they'd need to send out $10,155,556 for Pierce, and Jordan is enough but the Clippers would likely be forced to add Bledsoe as well. Either way you cut it, the Clippers can certainly make a deal under the new CBA this summer that would bring Garnett and Pierce to Los Angeles for a package that would include Jordan, Butler, Bledsoe and possibly Green.
Fwiw, here's the rumored deal
Lee/Terry/KG for Butler/Bledsoe/Jordan/2 firsts. Doc comes here in LA and Pierce is also rumored to sign for a MMLE after he's bought out.
Yeah. I guess Jordan is supposed to have value, since that's why he got the contract in the first place. But I think the Clippers are losing that leverage, since they are clearly signaling that they don't think he's as good as Garnett. Also, when you include the Celtics letting Rivers out of his deal, the Clippers really aren't paying anything in this trade.
The Celtics' can always let KG retire (and thus buy him out), let Rivers go or just trade him to the Clippers for a draft pick and move on. They don't have to take on a bad deal for nothing.
If they include multiple firsts, that's one thing. But for them to act like Jordan for Garnett is even remotely an even trade is ludicrous. If it were an even trade, the Clippers may as well keep Jordan. By wanting to make the trade, the Clippers are saying that they can't win with DJ. If that doesn't destroy his trade value, I don't know what would.
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He is coveted by Ainge because Ainge is as re ed as Jordan is.
I hate Lee, and would not want him if there was any way to do the deal without his contract.
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