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holy , even the fat off the spurs wagon
is real
8 Turnoverswhen you drop 24-10 in an NBA Finals game, you're not done.
wow, just wow
he matched the NBA Finals record in Turnovers
let me repeat the NBA Finals Record. that is in the last 50 years, Manu matched what only 2 other players in history did
holy , even the fat off the spurs wagon
is real
There's nothing wrong with that argument. There are different roles on a team. Manu gets a new, different role, and somebody else takes his. As a matter of fact, this has happened already in Manu's career. Going from SG to backup PG. He's still a useful player against the bulk of the league.
I disagree he can't do that. Maybe not consistently against this Heat team, but against the rest of the league, he can, IMO.
Agree.
Deserves its own thread tbfh
I see. Just seems like what you are typing disagrees with what you just said tbh..
In the three losses this series, the Spurs have a plus/minus of -66 when Manu is on the court.
When he has been on the bench in those three games, the Spurs have a plus/minus of +30.
Blaming a series loss on one player is too cruel (even Hedo, tbh) but, damn, a 96 point swing in three games?
Disagree. I'm sure you'll argue the disconnect if there was one.
You typed that he can't lead a bench unit and that the spurs need to bring in a ball handler/play maker.
Do you even watch the games, or do you just look at the lineups on a computer to see what to complain about? When Splitter's been in during the last couple of games, he hasn't exactly been killing it. We would never have made it past Memphis without him, but Miami is the worst possible matchup for him. He can't guard LeBron or Wade, and he's a liability chasing their shooters around the perimeter. And he's not nearly good enough on offense to justify his lack of defense, nor is he an elite rebounder. If we were still seeing Haslem/Bosh lineups, Splitter could still play alongside Duncan. But Haslem has been rooted to the bench, and Splitter only fits on the court as TD's backup.
So where's the disconnect? He can't play, say, off-the-ball backup SG and be useful in that role?
I also typed that he can still be useful as a backup PG against a good chunk of the league, tbh... but I prefer if there's an extra full time ballhandler/play maker on the team too... I think this team has been needing that, and Neal just hasn't delivered on that aspect.
When someone essentially says a player can no longer do what he is supposed to do (handle the ball, not turn it over against playoff quality opposition, score or even be the best player on a bench), that kind of means that player is done.
By your logic, no one is really ever done because there is always something else they can do. Done means in context of being a playoff relevant player for guys of Manu's stature. Not only that, if he's not even able lead a bench against other bench units effectively, then wow.
You mentioned Tim in comparison about flaming out. Well, Tim is still a top 10 player and still a very great playoff player against playoff starters.
We have a SG that starts and his name is Danny.
If Manu's only capable of being a back up PG (which we have several already), you pay him like that and that means 2-3M per year. You disagree?
Disagree and this is a false premise. I never said Manu needs to do all those things, that's entirely your opinion. Which is respectable, but IMO, incorrect.
IMO Manu can still score, can be the best player on the bench against 80% of the league, and against the other 20% he can still be useful from a non-backup PG role, IMO.
But that's redefining 'done'. You don't have to do it. The 'done' hater was talking about is that he cannot play in this league anymore, thus his desire for Manu to retire.
Under that definition of 'done', I don't agree with him. Do you?
How is it a false premise what that is essentially what you said yourself? I don't agree with what you said which is why I started the convo. No, I don't think he is done as just being able to play in the NBA. Matt Bonner is in the NBA. Reggie Evans is too.
The question is, can Manu be an impact player in the playoffs knowing the team is a le or bust team going forward?
I'd like Nando to come together as the backup PG, and Manu perhaps take the reins as a backup SG... Teams also play much more smallball these days, so there's going to be time for guards.
I don't particularly care what they pay Manu, tbh, because as I stated, I don't think it's going to be something that affects the moves they want to do this summer.
Ok, but if Manu is now in the role he always has been (back up SG) and you are saying he can no longer lead a bench unit (your words) how can he not be done in that context?
It's a false premise because players that can't be 'the best player on a bench' aren't 'done', under the definition of 'done' we were using with hater. That's probably where the confusion stems.
Agreed.
Impact, not consistently. But he can still be useful. We have other guys that can be impactful out there now, like Kawhi. I was hoping the same for Tiago, but it didn't pan out.
Manu is costing us just this championship tbh. Him not ing up in 04, 07 and not being hurt in 08, 09, and '11 doesn't change the Spurs not ringing those years.
Well, I said he can't do that against certain teams, so it's implicit that, in that context, against certain teams, he's done with that role. But I still think there's some Game 5's games left on him, on either role. Just not as consistently.
If the Spurs played anyone else instead of the Heat in the finals he is averaging 15/5/4 the heat are easily the best pick and roll defense he has faced in his career and doesn't help that he was 35 and doesn't have the agility and athleticism that he used too honestly I think prime Manu struggles against this team not like this at allll but this is a very tough matchup for him I don't know why they continue to run p&r with him they stop it everysingle time and he ends up picking his dribble up which is stupid if you know anything about basketball they need to run him off screens and some iso plays
Actually I take that back prime Manu goes to work against this Heat team
well, he went to work for this Heat team last night, tbh
Lol I don't get it though he shot 5 times made two okay I don't care about that but the passing?!? He's one of the best passers and he's just making horrible decisions 8 TO!!! He's my favorite player ever and it was hard to watch, if he has a decent game the spurs win #5
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