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    The oldest Xer would have been ~15 in 1979, Reagan's first election. Not sure where you are getting that notion from. The president where we had a majority of the total Xer's would have been in 1992 or 1996.
    I'm not saying they put Reagan in office. They grew up with Reagan in office and for whatever reason swallowed up everything he said. I'm not sure why that's the case, but they're the generation that loves Reagan the most. Certainly a lot more than Boomers do.

    Then there is obviously Bush but it's pretty obvious he knew where his bread was buttered from the legislation he pushed. Gen X were the one's that got sent off to war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Funny how the Boomer's fought to have the war they were being sent off to ended and then sent their children off to fight another as soon as they were too old to go.
    Polls have always shown gen Xers to vote overwhelmingly conservative while baby boomers are pretty split. Gen Xers are what made Bush a two term president.

    The credit card was first used in its current format in the 1960's and gained popularity over the ensuing decades.
    Was it used at the same level back then that it's used now? (honest question)

    As for debt you might as well throw Y in there too. They are accruing debt at record pace. This type of disparity is a product of an environment where you have a centralized concentration of wealth within a certain group.
    Gen Y is accruing debt so they can have an education and have a snowball's chance in of making a decent living. They aren't taking out a line of credit to go on vacations and spend on other luxuries (and I know you agree that contrary to what every rascal scooter driving tea bagger claims, college is a necessity these days)

    http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/...get-tradeoffs/

    That is a summation of pew polls on the generational take on government. Gen Y hates government more. That should be obvious from the groundswell of support around college campuses for Ron Paul. Looking at the above polls it should be obvious that the younger you are the less inclined you are to be paying for the Boomer's .
    Gen Yers also favor socialism over communism more than any other generation in America ever has, and it's not even close. Gen Yers supporting Ron Paul is evidence they hate the current corrupt and inefficient US government, not the concept of government in general.

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    You have these polls to back up these assertions?

    There is a pew summary that draws different conclusions.


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    I know you have a hard on for Reagan but there is all manner of government. Politicians typically pander to the people that vote for them and/or those that give them money.

    Reagan was one guy. His administration was perhaps 1000. The Boomers are the 75m that got him elected. Mondale did himself in when he told them we needed to pay for our by way of taxation. That is a big boomer no-no. Something for nothing otoh.....
    The boomers are not what got Reagan elected. Baby boomers as a whole voted slightly in Jimmy Carter's favor in the 1980 election iirc. The younger baby boomers closer in age to the gen Xers are the ones who voted more in favor of Reagan.

    It's also stupid to say Reagan was "just one guy" since he's become a movement and an entire political party. Every president since Reagan has emulated his economic policies and spoken nothing but great things about him. The 30 year movement that turned America into a mountain of was created and made possible by Reagan and a bunch of dumb baby boomers + gen Xers who have a completely diluted view of how extreme Reagan's policies were. I'm too lazy to list more examples, but every time I talk economics with people in the late 30s - 40s age range, they claim the laffer curve works and not believing in it is what ruined America which I don't need to explain to you why it's ridiculous.

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    Again you have anything to back these assertions up?

    Your other ones about disestablishment and non-partisanship have been wrong so far.

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    I'll try to find what I read a few weeks ago tbh.

    FTR, I agree with you for the most part about baby boomers. They're lazy people who had it better than any previous generation did and any future generation ever will. My main concern is why gen Xers get a pass.

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    They shouldn't. Anecdotally, I find the Xers to be aloof and jaded myself.

    The reason that got me started on boomer animosity has been a barrage of boomer centric articles maligning millenials and Xers. Some 60 year old **** was saying that she didn't consider young men to be men at all. That article was the tipping point for me.

    I hate people that malign and/or take advantage of children.

    and Kori for censoring the word that rhymes with punt and starts with the letter 'c.'

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    they hate the current corrupt and inefficient US government, not the concept of government in general.
    That seems to be the way just about every young person on the planet feels about their government these days.

    Brazil to France, to Egypt, to Iran to the US.

    Seems there is a strong streak of that. I don't think we have seen this much unrest... in a long time.

    It is time for the older generation to step aside, IMO, ala Logan's run.

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    That seems to be the way just about every young person on the planet feels about their government these days.

    Brazil to France, to Egypt, to Iran to the US.

    Seems there is a strong streak of that. I don't think we have seen this much unrest... in a long time.

    It is time for the older generation to step aside, IMO, ala Logan's run.
    1960's says hi. Oh, and the counter-culture was pretty much a Boomer phenomenon.

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    I'll try to find what I read a few weeks ago tbh.

    FTR, I agree with you for the most part about baby boomers. They're lazy people who had it better than any previous generation did and any future generation ever will. My main concern is why gen Xers get a pass.
    Not sure we do get a pass.

    Either way, right now my generation is going to step into the senior leadership positions that the boomers are vacating through simple attrition.

    I would hope that we have a new and fresh enough sense of things to effect the kinds of change that our elders did not see fit to put into play, and I am sure as hte laffer curve is... laughaBLE.

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    Th Anecdotally, I find the Xers to be aloof and jaded myself.
    Grunge


    'nuff said.


    We had such hope when the Wall fell, it was a palpable sense that things were getting better, a break in the clouds so to speak. Then we slammed into the reality that the same old s who had been running things were still in power. Not for much longer.

    We'll see if we can do better. (shrugs) C'est la vie.

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    Not sure we do get a pass.

    Either way, right now my generation is going to step into the senior leadership positions that the boomers are vacating through simple attrition.

    I would hope that we have a new and fresh enough sense of things to effect the kinds of change that our elders did not see fit to put into play, and I am sure as hte laffer curve is... laughaBLE.
    your generation is going to get elected to Congress and reverse all the Repug damage,

    get elected/nominated as judges to replace the VRWC-packed courts,

    get enough elected to regulate the financial industry?

    GMAFB

    America is ed and your generation won't, can't un it.

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    That seems to be the way just about every young person on the planet feels about their government these days.

    Brazil to France, to Egypt, to Iran to the US.

    Seems there is a strong streak of that. I don't think we have seen this much unrest... in a long time.

    It is time for the older generation to step aside, IMO, ala Logan's run.
    Maybe that's because this current group of young people has had its future pissed on by governments around the world mortgaging it for baby boomers and gen Xers.

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    Not sure we do get a pass.

    Either way, right now my generation is going to step into the senior leadership positions that the boomers are vacating through simple attrition.

    I would hope that we have a new and fresh enough sense of things to effect the kinds of change that our elders did not see fit to put into play, and I am sure as hte laffer curve is... laughaBLE.
    your generation is going to get elected to Congress and

    reverse all the Repug damage,

    reverse citizens united,

    get elected/nominated as judges to replace the VRWC-packed courts,

    get enough elected to regulate the financial industry?

    GMAFB

    America is ed and your generation won't, can't un it.

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    Maybe that's because this current group of young people has had its future pissed on by governments around the world mortgaging it for baby boomers and gen Xers.
    What legislation do you attribute to the Xers?

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    What legislation do you attribute to the Xers?
    The repeal of Glass-Steagall.

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    That's fair I guess. That truly was a bipartisan fest. That and the deal for america. bleh.

    I was born right on the turn between X and Y although I am an X if you want to be precise. That means Y gets Obama though. That is unequivovacle as the youth vote was widely recognized as the difference maker in 2008.

    We need to do better.

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    That's fair I guess. That truly was a bipartisan fest. That and the deal for america. bleh.

    I was born right on the turn between X and Y although I am an X if you want to be precise. That means Y gets Obama though. That is unequivovacle as the youth vote was widely recognized as the difference maker in 2008.

    We need to do better.
    The Xs that are your age aren't the ones I'm ing about. The older Xers in their 40s are the ones who love Reagan and loved the idea of being able to use their house as a credit card.

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    The Xs that are your age aren't the ones I'm ing about. The older Xers in their 40s are the ones who love Reagan and loved the idea of being able to use their house as a credit card.
    Reagan.. eyuch.

    Most Xers were teenagers during the reagan years and didn't pay much attention, which is why they think Reagan was awesome. I was in the former category, but not the latter.

    I have always paid attention, even when readign weekly news magazines and daily newspapers with the evening news were the only way to stay informed.

    We didn't have any of this fancy news on your phone crap, oh no, we had to do it the hard way. Driving in our cars to the library to actually read card catalogs and pick up actual pieces of paper to read.

    You little ingrates wouldn't have lasted one minute.... oh , I got old.... when the did that happen?

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    The repeal of Glass-Steagall.
    Glass-Steagal was repealed in the mid-1990's if memory serves. Gen Xers were not in congress at that time.

    Sorry. Boomer .

    We do get to take credit for ups in the 2000's or so.

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    The Xs that are your age aren't the ones I'm ing about. The older Xers in their 40s are the ones who love Reagan and loved the idea of being able to use their house as a credit card.
    The home refinancing ban was repealed in the 80's?

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    Glass-Steagal was repealed in the mid-1990's if memory serves. Gen Xers were not in congress at that time.

    Sorry. Boomer .

    We do get to take credit for ups in the 2000's or so.
    It's more about the electorate to me. The government 'elite' types are a group unto their own. It seems that as time goes by the electorate matters less and less though.

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    Glass Steagall was not the catalyst. That is the most ignorant statement coming from progressive agitprop.


    Out of washington mutual, bear sterhns, aig, and countless other firms who fell during the crisis, only citigroup was a glass steagall product of merging investment banking with commercial banking.

    And citigroup was already a ty company with a bad track record.


    To say that deregulation and glass steagall caused the bubble is just intellectual laziness.

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    Deregulation is good.

    It's manipulation of interst rates and reducing investing risk by govt subsidies that leads to bubbles.

    You're always going to have market mistakes, you make them an issue when you have regulations that guarantee the consumer that they will rescue them for making bad decisions, hence companies will make riskier moves because there will be a bailout.

    The whole reason we have glass steagall in the 30's is because we have govt backing bank defaults through the FDIC.

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