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For all if you Manu haters GTFO! Traitor ass es! After everything he's done for this franchise! Plays his heart out & helped win 3 championships and all you es want him gone! you assholes!
The Spurs should've violated Miami's front court even moreso in the Finals.
Splitter is a serviceable big. As always with NBA bigmen who can kinda chew gum and walk at the same time there is the risk of the market leading a team into overpaying. Utilizing the cap flexibility for a potential upgrade is not a bad idea.
If Manu wants to continue to play in the Association, there is a place for him in SA. As maddening as his style of play is, he is part of the reason for three of the four Larry O'Brien trophies in SA.
Backup 3 needs to be looked at. McGrady for a small contract is not a bad idea. Like his offensive versatility and the audition seemed to go well.
Haven't looked at the international talent the Spurs have draft rights on and if any are ready to come over.
No idea about the upcoming draft talent pool.
Kawhi. Leonard. Him spending a summer in the gym working on his dribble drive and mid range game is an upgrade in and of itself.
For all if you Manu haters GTFO! Traitor ass es! After everything he's done for this franchise! Plays his heart out & helped win 3 championships and all you es want him gone! you assholes!
We don't win game 5 going away without Manu's performance. Four turnovers (and oh was the timing bad) last night but scored an efficient 18 on 12 shots. I have no idea what you guys expect to replace him with - he wasn't worth $14 million this past year, but he's better than basically everyone people have listed.
LOL he's not better than Jarrett Jack. Hey I've been a Manu hater these playoffs but I'll admit that he did have a pretty good performance in Game 7. In the boxscore, he was actually the most efficient player on the team at + 8 I think. That is why I think he should retire. I mean what a better way to retire than doing it after his last good performance that he probably had left in him.
Touché. Jack is better at this point, but I discounted him as he's headed somewhere to start. We'd all probably start looking for windows to jump out of with Jack given his brainfarts on defense.
Agreed. I think there's 0% chance of him coming here, but IF he did, that'd honestly be an unreal pickup and the Spurs would have a very good shot at winning it next year barring injuries. If the Spurs could somehow pull that off it be remarkable, but it will never happen. Millsap is actually possible. Would love him in a Spurs uni.
I think you swing for the fences and go for Iguadala. (Sp) you make him your starting 2.
This allows Green to pair with Manu Joseph and Diaw.
If that falls through you go Korver West. Love the idea of West in the post with Duncan playing high. West is a tough hombre and guarded James solidly.i
Dont throw all of this on one guy - Howard. He isnt worth max.
I overall like this. I'm not convinced yet that Green can dependably be a starter. I would like for him to develop further in terms of creating his own shots. Those floaters he tried were garbage.
I am totally with you on this, there are too many ungrateful bandwagons here only troll him and forget how much a warriors he was(still is). Money can buy players but not their true heart.
Only an idiot would think we would blow our cap space on resigning Splitter and the rest of the current cast. With our core 3(2) a year older, that's a recipe for another playoff disappointment.
Wells said. This would su*k a*s. I don't even know if I would be able to watch. Spurs have cap space. Why waste it? If the Spurs try to sign other FA's and those players refuse, then I can understand. But I am confident in the FO that they will do everything they can to assemble the best team possible via free agency to win Duncan's 5th ring that Pop and Manu gave to the Heat. The clock is ticking for Tim Duncan. Spurs can't afford to stay pat and hope that our current players develop. The time is now to make some moves.
Splitter although very skilled is the biggest pussy in the nba besides bosh that is. Cousins is as talented a big man as there is in the nba but he has for brains, maybe Pop can fix him. We need a real big man maybe Baynes can develop. I want Manu back but at a big time discount. Really think Diaw should and should have played more. Love Joseph the kids got heart, if he and Kahwi continue to improve each year our future is bright.
No offense taken and thanks for the clarification on the MLE. I am aware of the Think Tank and Bruno's excellence, but in the off season Think Tank and main Spurs board are one and the same really.
Your logic flaws:
I'm not in the Manu hater crowd, but given that his effectiveness is a huge question mark for next year, we need to put free agency well ahead of Manu and we can always just offer vet min.
Why on earth would Diaw opt out? No way do I see that happening, unless we are playing some type of contract money games with his cooperation. As long as we avoid Richard Jefferson part II then.
Bonner we've been praying to leave the for years now after playoff flameouts. He was pretty decent against the Lakers though and well liked, we may be stuck with him again.
Jack meets multiple needs for us: 1) ball handling 2) clutch scoring. He can stay on the floor against a team like Miami, especially when it is critical that our second unit get some baskets. He's worth whatever we can reasonably afford, in our quest to make our team one FT better. With our cap room, there is no reason we should not be talking to JJ.
Iguodola and West though, now that would be one heck of an offseason right there!
If one of the plans is to "pray" for TD to not be gassed at 38 in another potential Game 7 in next year's NBA Finals, then that is no plan at all and the answer SHOULD be in free agency. I mean, come on, let's give TD some help down low. The Heat are probably going to get a big man to keep up with us and the Pacers and it's just not fair to TD to have to keep relying on to log 42+ minutes in a potential Finals next year as the only reliable big man in a match-up against either team. Milsap could be that missing piece we need and would've stayed on the floor if we had him in Game 6 to have grabbed that last board. It's not about disrupting the system, it's about helping take the load off a physically-spent 37 year old TD and 36 year old Manu who absolutely deserve another Championship...and that's why we need to make something happen via free-agency.
Or the room exception, which the Spurs can use after using their cap space. That gives him $5.4M/2.
I brought that up to show that the Spurs can free up more than that. Diaw could well opt out if he thinks he can get a long-term deal for more money. Had the Spurs won this season, he may well have done so.Why on earth would Diaw opt out? No way do I see that happening, unless we are playing some type of contract money games with his cooperation. As long as we avoid Richard Jefferson part II then.
Sticking with Bonner actually lowers the Spurs' cap space down to about $17 Million. The $20 Million assumption comes from the Spurs waving him and only eating a million in salary. If they keep him, his entire $4 Million remains on the books.Bonner we've been praying to leave the for years now after playoff flameouts. He was pretty decent against the Lakers though and well liked, we may be stuck with him again.
I personally think he's pretty bad. He breaks the offense and isn't really efficient. He's also a poor defender. I'd much rather try to Tyreke Evans with the cap space.Jack meets multiple needs for us: 1) ball handling 2) clutch scoring. He can stay on the floor against a team like Miami, especially when it is critical that our second unit get some baskets. He's worth whatever we can reasonably afford, in our quest to make our team one FT better. With our cap room, there is no reason we should not be talking to JJ.
I like them both well enough, but they're not worth the deals they're going to get. They're both on the downsides of their careers and still have major flaws in their games. I especially don't see West as the missing piece.Iguodola and West though, now that would be one heck of an offseason right there!
Iggy is an athlete and he can play D. But his shooting is inconsistent and his brain is no larger than DeAndre Jordan's or JaVale McGee's. He's basically re ed.
Iggy sucks as a two-guard. He has good enough handles, but he can't shoot and sucks at running plays. His offensive and defensive PER numbers suggest he's been far-superior at the three. He's not an upgrade to Green in the starting unit, since he hurts spacing and probably would be taking touches away from Leonard.
On the bench, though, that's a different story. He has enough play-making ability to help Ginobili and Joseph and he could be the lock-down defender of that unit. His finishing abilities would also be helpful for Ginobili, and his lack of shooting can be covered up by the other three members of bench unit (not counting the center). All in all, he's a good player and would make sense for the price, but having him in instead of Green wouldn't have made the Spurs any better during the Finals--actually, it would have made them worse.
We have enough shooters on the team... it's time to get someone who can actually drive to the basket. Kawhi did it and look how successful it was. We need another player of that caliber. Andrew Igoudala would be the best replacement for Manu so far as well. He can rebound and pass really well. He is great on fastbreak transition offense (as seen on 76ers and Nuggets).
Another option we can go for is Andrei Kirilenko. Have him play the 4 with Timmy or Splitter at the 5, that way we get defense on small ball and we can grab boards in the process.
1-I was talking about the starting lineup. A Parker/Iggy/Leonard/Splitter/Duncan lineup has very poor spacing.
2-I agree about Iggy being a good supplement/replacement to Ginobili. That's why he should be with the second unit.
3-If the Spurs go through with the off-season plan being discussed, they will have exactly one elite shooter on the roster. They probably need to find another one somewhere.
Having a player that could create his own shot wouldn't have helped?
That's beyond ridiculous.
Spacing is only an issue if your team thrives on hitting set jump shots or set 3's (role players). Take a player like Igoudala who can slash and drive to the basket for dunks, and spacing is not an issue at all. It's never been more apparent that the Heat killed the Spurs with iso play after iso play with Lebron. It's time the Spurs brought someone else who can do the same without having to go through 2-3 touches or passes around the team before getting a shot or look off. Also, it was the spacing that killed us during the final series. All those passes were long passes that resulted in turnovers. While the Heat have had their share of sloppy turnovers, wouldn't it be easier just to hand it to a guy who will relentlessly take it to the basket?
It would have helped, but having him instead of a player that set the Finals record for 3PM wouldn't have been a net positive. The Spurs had their greatest offensive success when they were able to spread the Heat out. Iggy would not have done that. Had he been the player they inserted instead of Ginobili in Games 6 and 7, then it would have helped.
More importantly, you didn't even seem to look at the post. I said Iggy would be a good fit, but not as the starting two-guard. He has terrible numbers there, and that has been the case his whole career. I like him on the bench, and I think he'd've been a really big help in that capacity against Miami precisely because he can create his own shot. But the Spurs' starters would not have been as successful because they would have lacked shooting.
Nothing ridiculous about that.
Last edited by Chinook; 06-22-2013 at 01:33 PM.
Igoudala is my first choice. He adds a dimension to our offense as a slasher/finisher that we need as well as a solid perimeter defender.
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