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I see the time away served you well.
First off, whoever banned me for 3 days so I couldn't get on Spurs Talk and post during the finale.
I see a lot of posts of people talking about Ginobili and his performance in game seven of the finals. Personally, I think it's pretty funny that Manu gets the blame considering he was the person keeping us in the game (alongside Duncan and Leonard). Ginobili tallied 18 points and 5 assists, while having 3 turnovers in the final quarter.
I thought Manu looked great out there last night. His eurostep/hopstep was on point and his shooting was actually well. The problem I have with the forum on this issue is that they consider the blame to be on "Turnobili". Consider the following:
- The "leader" of our team went 3/12 and at times completely went in hero mode. That man is Tony Parker. I like Parker when he gets into hero mode, but he obviously didn't look for the pass much at all last night. We knew he had to step up in game seven for us to win. I understand he's injured, but I think that plays more of a roll than Ginobili.
- Danny Green and Gary Neal's horrific shooting. Neal not as much (2 for 8), but Green going 1 for 12 is horrible. Especially considering he was making such bonehead mistakes (the turnover on the fast break). In the games at home, we was moving around lots. However, in this game, he seemed content just staying in a corner. I understand the D is guarding you tight, but damn.. the only shot you could make was wide open? He had to play better to win.
- Before someone brings up the "record breaking shooting spree" as an excuse to his poor play, also remember that Ginobili dished out 24 and 10 in game five.
Ginobili played like vintage Manu the other night, but people's blind hatred gets in the way of it. The sad reality is he is a scapegoat for Spurs fans and they fail to realize that he's always played like that, he's always had his "turnover" days, and he's been injured. ?
I read earlier someone claim that he's cost the Spurs "two les". No, poor perimeter shooting, not executing when we had a chance, and the heartbreaking game six loss all played more of a roll than Manu.
A lot of you guys say "vet minimum or let him walk". I guarantee you guys wouldn't be thinking that if you thought Ginobili wouldn't retire if he wasn't a Spur. Remember, Ginobili doesn't want to retire just yet. How would you feel if he was on the Clippers? Heat? Lakers? Mavericks? I bet all of your at udes would change.
So in conclusion, those who feel it's Manu's fault... are stupid as . It was a team effort and despite two turnovers at the end... Leonard, Duncan and Green all messed up towards the end too. Missed opportunities.
Last edited by N0 LyF3 ScRuB; 06-22-2013 at 03:47 PM.
I see the time away served you well.
Manu's legacy took a big hit during these Finals. Anybody that denies this is ing blind.
I dare him to though. He won't do it.
You have serious problems, I love manu with all my heart, Im argentinian like him and everything else, but he is the one to blame and that cost us the ring, game 6 was the game to steal and he ruined that, you will never get that but who cares
Replace Manu with a decent, CONSISTENT shooting guard, and the Spurs win the finals easy.
LMAOOO your avi.
Well said.
Without Manu we wouldn't have even gotten to the finals. Moron.
Playoffs Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG First Round SAS 4 0 19.5 0.467 0.500 0.714 0.0 3.0 3.0 4.8 1.8 0.5 2.0 1.0 11.3 Conf. Semifinals SAS 6 0 29.7 0.342 0.275 0.650 0.7 4.3 5.0 6.3 1.7 0.3 2.5 2.2 12.7 Conf. Finals SAS 4 0 26.3 0.407 0.286 0.778 1.0 4.3 5.3 4.5 0.5 0.5 2.5 3.0 10.0 Finals SAS 7 3 28.4 0.433 0.250 0.786 0.1 2.0 2.1 4.3 0.7 0.0 3.1 3.3 11.6 Playoff Averages SAS 21 3 26.7 0.399 0.302 0.738 0.4 3.3 3.7 5.0 1.1 0.3 2.6 2.5 11.5
Irreplaceable numbers tbh
Yeah, yeah, he hit the big shot in that amazing Warriors game, but anyway....I was referring to the finals.
OP = Emo Moron
ROTFLMAO. Great post. Sums it up.
Listen, Ginobili is one of the only playmakers on the Spurs. For you to say without Manu we would have been better is ignorant because: A) nobody can fill his gap of ppg and apg and B) has the experience and the ability to be clutch.
He won us game five against the Heat. If he hadn't had showed up we'd be down 3-2. He gave solid numbers the enitre Lakers series, and the majority of the Warriors series. He saved us from being down 2-0 and going back to Oakland.
Fans these days are ignorant. It's easy to look at someone's stats and say "he's not playing well", but you have to look in between the lines. Just having Ginobili's presence on the court overall helps them.
He played bad in the finals for the most part, but he did not cost them the series. Even in game seven we couldn't hit shot after shot when the Heat were cold. Ginobili actually made a three and then stole the ball....
Wow. Give it up to this tough guy. What a contributional post to this topic. You sure know your basketball. Please tell me more about how Ginobili pissed game seven away, when he was the only one actually playing like he wanted it. Parker, Green and Neal were no shows. Ginobili consistently drove down the court and being aggressive for the Spurs. The only person playing harder in my opinion was Tim... and it was that close.
What I didn't realize...looking at those stats, is how far his steals have gone down. He use to make up for his turnovers, with steals(and scores)..now, not so much...double whammy. I don't blame Manu for game 7...but it's hard not to put him atop the blame list for game 6.
Are fuc*ing kidding me? Quit living in the past dude. He's no longer what you think he is. Are your his brother? Why are you defending him so much? Manu ADIOS AMIGO. You are DONE.
The past? It was just over a month ago when this stuff happened. You've got to be kidding me.
If Ginobili is not on this team next year you will notice the difference. I assure you that. The Spurs will not make it to the finals next year without Manu. Ginobili isn't my favorite player either.
I'm sorry but I have to do this.
He turned the ball over before and after that sequence, and I don't have play-by-play in front of me but I'm sure they resulted in points
He didn't cost them the series, single-handedly, but he was the ring leader.
yeah because Leonard wasn't doing a thing....other than making up for Manu being an idiot and throwing the ball out of bounds. Re .
About to start a TGY Church on this forum. Right on.2005 was a decade ago.... Like when Leonard was in junior high duh...
I love Manu but FOR GODS sakes stop it. He has helped us bigtime in a few les, but this year he was a s of himself and showed up once every series or so. Not his fault age catches up and nothing you can do about it, alot of mileage on the guy.
BTW to the OP, he does stuff he always did? I remember in key games him hitting his FT's down the stretch and he is the ONLY guy I wanted the ball with at the end of games because he was good for two FT's. He missed a few of those this year and his TO's down the stretch were just crazy! Unforced and right to the other team, he did NOT always do that. He used to hit more of his shots as well, his % went down alot these playoffs so this was NOT the Manu we were used to who made some mistakes but we all loved because he was so damn good.Thats what makes the mistakes so hard to watch now, he turns it over more than steals the ball and hits less shots than he did. OP here is dreaming, seriously his argument NOW is weak and I have to think he is related or just his biggest fan.
I agree. In the past you could always rely on Manu to close the game by knocking down the clutch free throws. This year he looked shaky in the clutch with the exception of the breakfast shot.
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