The Trayvon Martin Case

[Trill Clinton]

Got DAMN you are stupid.

Getting your head whacked into the concrete over and over is clearly hazardous to your health. The defense has to prove FEAR of serious bodily harm. You don't have to SUSTAIN serious bodily harm before using deadly force.

how can they prove fear of serious bodily harm when zimmerman was armed and wasn't afraid to follow tray? how would you convince a jury zimmerman was so scared of tray that he followed him and confronted him?

Trill, I haven't been keeping up with the details, but in Florida you don't have to prove self defense like most other states. The burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove it WASN'T self defense per Florida law iirc. I think that's totally backwards, but it's how the law is.

oh i got that definition from the florida laws and statutes site regarding justifiable use of force. but i think the prosecution is headed in the right direction in proving that it wasn't self defense on zimmerman's part so far. they set a good foundation so far.

[CosmicCowboy]

You are blinded by your prejudice. They were both assholes.

Defense just has to prove reasonable fear of bodily harm. That is self evident.

Zimmerman by your own admission could have shot Martin any time he wanted to but he didn't. He apparently (agree we don't know when the gun came out) didn't use the gun until he had been physically attacked and was getting his head pounded into the concrete for at least 30 seconds according to witnesses and the timeline. That's justifiably reasonable fear of serious bodily harm.

[CosmicCowboy]

It is based on what a reasonable person would believe at the time of the shooting. You can muddy the water all you want leading up to the event but the fact is Zimmerman didn't just track down Martin and shoot him.

What we do know about the shooting:

It was a dark, rainy night.

Martin had apparently punched Zimmerman in the nose knocking him down. The police and the EMs said his nose was broken but you claim it wasn't. whatever. We do know from physical evidence that Zimmerman took a good punch in the nose.

We do know from physical evidence and eye witness testimony that Martin was sitting on Zimmerman's chest whacking his head against the concrete.

We know from eye witnesses and audio that someone was screaming and calling for help for at least 30 seconds before the gunshot. It's pretty reasonable that the guy doing the whacking wasn't doing the screaming.

So, under those cir stances...

Dark rainy night, a young athletic guy has already punched you in the nose and he is now sitting on your chest pinning you to the ground and banging your head against the concrete while you scream for help and beg him to stop...

under THOSE cir stances would a REASONABLE person have a fear of serious bodily injury?

I think they would and I think those ladies on the jury will agree.

[tlongII]

CC is absolutely right. I see no way that Zimmerman gets convicted.

[Big Empty]

Did the kid punch Zimmerman and bang his head for 30 seaconds cause he feared his own life?

[CosmicCowboy]

Did the kid punch Zimmerman and bang his head for 30 seaconds cause he feared his own life?

doesn't matter at all.

Whether he did or not, there is no evidence that Zimmerman initiated the final physical confrontation.

[CosmicCowboy]

Did the kid punch Zimmerman and bang his head for 30 seaconds cause he feared his own life?

That is such a weak ing argument. Martin always had the option to beat feet and run the away. He wasn't cornered in some dead end alley. It was a wide open space. No way Zimmerman could have run him down.

Zimmerman is an asshole but none of the evidence shows that Zimmerman just hunted him down and shot him.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That is such a weak ing argument. Martin always had the option to beat feet and run the away. He wasn't cornered in some dead end alley. It was a wide open space. No way Zimmerman could have run him down.

Zimmerman is an asshole but none of the evidence shows that Zimmerman just hunted him down and shot him.

What if he had pulled his gun? You just turn your back on a guy abnd run from a guy hostile towards you and with a pistol right in your face?

[InRareForm]

the defense guy opened with a knock knock joke? wtf

[Big Empty]

the defense guy opened with a knock knock joke? wtf

smh

[DMX7]

Zimmerman may still win.

[boobie4three]

the defense guy opened with a knock knock joke? wtf

I'm afraid Zimmerman would have been better off hiring a REAL clown from PT Barnum and Bailey Circus.

[Big Empty]

CC has no problem if a man driving this van asks his children where they live and if he can offer them a ride

LMFAO man im just on the 5th page of this thread. so entertaining you racist f**ks are all funny

[Ignignokt]

Trayboon should have not picked a fight with an armed citizen.

[Ignignokt]

lol the defense is upset at the 911 calls from the past being played. i hope the judge allows the other to be called cuz lawd knows zimmerman had 911 on speed dial.

that doesn't prove whether george zimmerman was in danger of his life or not.

[Ignignokt]

Zimmerman may still win.

he should.

All joking aside. It's tragic, but lets not make either side saints here.

[Ignignokt]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc0_1371690036
Since lie detectors are not sufficient evidence, if the defense can convince the jury that martin did aim for the gun like zman said, case over.

No goalpost moving, "but but.. he didn't have any life threatening injuries!!! herp derp!!".

By the time you get a life threatening injury you may not be able to respond to save your life, dumbass lol

[Ignignokt]

yes they do. they have to prove the act of self defense, the definition of which i posted and you quoted. the prosecution just has to shoot down the notion that trayvon was beating zimmerman to death and paint the picture of zimmerman as an armed, obsesssed, former watchmen. which they've done so far.

Yeah, but then again, you'd easily believe tawana bradley would have been raped by a gang of white betas because you're so immensly buttflustered about white privelege and your social justice crackhouse addiction imho

[Trill Clinton]

Yeah, but then again, you'd easily believe tawana bradley would have been raped by a gang of white betas because you're so immensly buttflustered about white privelege and your social justice crackhouse addiction imho

sorry, can't take you seriously when you call trayvon "trayboon" its obvious you're prejudice and are siding with zimmerman. so far all the racist comments have come from the pro zimmerman side in this thread, sad.

[Th'Pusher]

Z: I'm with the neighborhood watch. I don't recognize you. Do you live here?

T option one: "I'm staying with my dad for a few days. He lives on X street."

T option two: Sucker punch Z, sit on his chest and pound his head into the concrete. *bang* T gets shot dead.

Which one seems to be the more successful option?

Now do that same exercise with which options Z could have have chosen which would have been a more successful option (i.e. not being tried with 2nd degree murder).

[Creepn]

Lol CC, you want a teen, whose parents weren't home atm, to give a complete stranger the street he lives on??? Man get the outta here with that bull .

[Wild Cobra]

lol the defense is upset at the 911 calls from the past being played. i hope the judge allows the other to be called cuz lawd knows zimmerman had 911 on speed dial.

Really?

Speed dial for 911...


LOL...

Don't you comprehend anything put out in these threads? He normally, and purhaps always, called the non-emergency number. Not 911.

Are you being intellectually dishonest, or what?

[Sportcamper]

I'm afraid Zimmerman would have been better off hiring a REAL clown from PT Barnum and Bailey Circus.

No Joke...

Prosecution is claiming that Trayvon Martin was not "armed" But in fact he was armed with a deadly weapon.... The sidewalk…
Zimmerman’s Azz Clown Defense…

[Wild Cobra]

No Joke...

Prosecution is claiming that Trayvon Martin was not "armed" But in fact he was armed with a deadly weapon.... The sidewalk…
Zimmerman’s Azz Clown Defense…

It's not a joke of a defense. A person can be pushed into a weapon. It's a hoot to see that some people don't realize that.

[CosmicCowboy]

Slamming someones head against a hard surface is about 10X as effective as punching them.