http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...rounding-draftIn addition to the Pacers' Jimmer discussions, sources say Indiana has made the No. 23 pick available in hopes that an interested party would be willing to take on the contract of Gerald Green for the right to acquire Indy's pick.
The Brooklyn Nets are trying to find a home for their 2011 first-round selection, MarShon Brooks. Sources say the Nets are trying to land a second first-rounder in return. One team to watch is the Minnesota Timberwolves. If the Wolves will give the Nets the No. 26 pick in return, they'll probably have a deal on draft night.
The Wolves continue to try to move higher up in the draft to get their hands on Victor Oladipo. They're offering Derrick Williams, the No. 9 and the No. 26 pick to move up, but so far haven't found a taker. New Wolves GM Flip Saunders is enamored with Oladipo.
Haha, it's like I've been following a trail of bread crumbs you've been leaving.
But I don't like Brooks. I wouldn't give up a first for him.
The Spurs can't help the Wolves to move up, but it's nice to see both that they're still trying to move Williams and that the league seems to have a low opinion of him.
I agree, I am not big on Brooks as well. He wouldn't work well in the Spurs unselfish offense anyway.
While it looks like the league still has a low opinion on Williams, it doesn't seem like Minnesota has lowered any sort of asking price for him. I mean trying to move into the top 3-5 by using him as bait means they still think he has some good value.
Oladipo probably is my favorite prospect in the draft though so I like what Minnesota is trying to do there.
A first and a backup guard isn't terrible value, especially when you factor in the savings. I also think the Wolves have lowered their asking price. They used to consider him to be worth a top-5 pick by himself, but now they're trying to add two more picks to him. I'd say they consider him to be worth a pick in the 20s now, which the Spurs can provide along with a player they could use. Seeing as they're considering actually paying a pick for Brooks getting a pick along with Mills/De Colo could be appealing. They might try to take 9, 26, and 28 to see what they can get. And you know, I think they'd end up having more success with than than they would with trying to get someone to take Williams' contract.
I'm not sure they would do that but I certainly would
Not to mention, by the time the Spurs' pick rolls around, the Wolves will have either traded Williams for tried to trade him and failed repeatedly. They may just want out of his contract, and Bonner's deal allows them to do that. They might not even want the first-rounder.I'm not sure they would do that but I certainly would
So what are your realistic expectations for the Spurs on Thursday?
Totally expecting them to do nothing and draft the best available European stash project at 28.
Sounds about right. I really just expect them to stand pat and sign the best backup three that most of the MLE can buy.
But I assumed that exact thing around this time two years ago, so who knows? I wouldn't be surprised to see them at least attempt to make a trade. They actually did try with Blair last draft. Mills opting in right now suggests he could be a likely candidate to be moved, and the team usually tries to cash in on partially guaranteed deals like Bonners' (succeeding with Bowen and failing with Dice).
It would be nice if the Spurs traded the 28th pick & maybe Bonner to Cleveland for pick 31 & 33 if the Spurs can pick someone that is on the board that Cleveland really wants. Spurs could use those picks to draft a high risk high reward player like Goodwin or Ledo, and use the second pick to get Jean-Charles or any other euro prospect that could drop.
Well, Cleveland DID give up 24, 33 and 34 to get 17 last season, so there's a definite precedent there.
I don't know if the Spurs do that deal, though. I think teams would only trade up for a good prospect who falls, and the Spurs may as well draft that prospect.
So how would people feel about eating Marcus Camby's contract (about $5.5 Million in guaranteed money) in exchange for moving up in the draft? The Knicks are only four spots above the Spurs, but 24 seems to be an interesting spot according to some mock drafts. Some good players like Crabbe, Gorbet and Karasev are slated to still be available.
Camby would seem to be a good fit off the bench (or stuck to it unless Baynes gets injured), since he can block shots and hit a mid-range "jumper." His contract only has a million guaranteed for 2015, so he could make for another nice trade chip then.
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Not a bad idea but Karasev won't make it to 24.
Gobert and Schroeder might but it's a very long shot.
Chad Ford said on twitter that teams picking in the 20s are really not excited about what's gonna be there so there may be good deals to be made.
who all have we worked out?
Truth be told, I'd like a little bit more than just to move up a few spots for saving the Knicks literally $10 Million+, but I don't think it's worth another pick (especially because their next available pick is in 2016). And they don't really have any second-rounders or rights to any good players. Cash would probably do it for Holt, but obviously, that wouldn't excite me at all. I don't think it'd be worth it to New York to actually give up 24 just to save some money, though.
That would be as bad as an RJ trade. You can buy those picks for 3-4M, no need to pay 10M for it. What are your thoughts on when you think Boris will let the Spurs know about his option?
The deal saves the Knicks that much because of the tax. The Spurs don't have to worry about the tax, so it wouldn't cost them nearly that much.. It'd only end up being $5.5 Million in salary - Bonner's Million and whatever cash the Knicks toss in. Honestly, the net cost to Holt could be like $2 Million. You add in that getting Camby is like getting another valuable trade asset as well as the fact that he could actually give some pretty good minutes off the bench, and it's not as bad as it seems. It's just replacing Bonner with Camby and kicking his tradeable deal down the road another year.
I think Diaw will tell them soon. He probably wants to stay and would only opt out for a long-term deal with the Spurs. Despite the rumors, this summer is nothing like 2010, so I don't think Boris can expect to be overpaid. He's on a pretty fair deal, and I think he realizes that.
Bruno pointed out that Mills opting in now could mean he's in line for a draft-day trade. He certainly left himself open to that by picking up his option early. It's possible that Diaw doesn't want to get traded, so he's waiting until after the draft. But I feel like it's more likely that he just hasn't officially picked it up because there's no rush--he knows he wants to stay, and the team is fine with that.
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Sources: Hawks look to move up in NBA draft
The Atlanta Hawks are dangling their two first-round picks for a trade in hopes of moving up in Thursday's NBA draft, possibly as high as the top five, sources tell Yahoo! Sports.
The Hawks have the 17th and 18th first-round selections and the 47th overall in the second round. Atlanta has had trade conversations with at least one team picking in the top five, a source said.
After being hired three days before the draft last year, Hawks general manager Danny Ferry has had more time to prepare and make inquiries for this draft.
The Hawks also are intrigued by UCLA small forward Shabazz Muhammad, a source said.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources...185704736.html
Coach Bud.
Was Kawhi Coach Buds guy? or was it just Coach Buds idea to trade George for another player that could help?
Why is that? Expecting Manu to take a decent contract (7-9M)? If not that, with shipping Bonner out/amnesty on him Spurs should have that 13-15M to use for Manu + a FA. Even if Manu takes 8M and the number is 13M, that is more than the MLE. If Manu takes less (let's say 5M), then Spurs have 8M to spend. Why would they just use the MLE/MLE type money?
Also, under what scenario would the Spurs only have MLE to use?
Any scenario in which the Spurs stay over the cap. That means keeping Bonner, trading him for someone making equal or greater money, or giving Splitter and Ginobili bigger deals.
According to the salary thread, the Spurs will have $19.3 Million in salary space if they amnesty Bonner and renounce everyone and trade or stash their first.
Keeping Bonner takes away about $4 Million.
Keeping Splitter will initially take $7.5 Million. It could take more if he gets a quick offer from another team.
Keeping Neal will initially take $600k. It WILL take more than that.
The first-rounder will take another $400k
So already, that gets the Spurs down to $5.5 Million in cap space. If the team trade Bonner for a bigger contract and gives Neal a deal, then there will be almost nothing left under the cap for Ginobili, and it sure leaves nothing for an outside free agent.
So if Pop and Co. intend to bring back the same team, they won't necessarily have a lot of cap space. They could if they played their cards correctly, but it may be easier for them (and more "fair" for the players) to just go ahead and stay over the cap.
Also, also, why does Tiago have a cap hold when Manu does not considering they are both unrestricted free agents?
Sure, I get that, I was more referencing what we thought would likely happen (i.e. Bonner being traded for cap space and/or just amnestied, Manu taking a smaller contract which is not given, letting Neal go...). It seems like the most likely scenario has the Spurs with more than MLE money.
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