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The Spurs don't need to mess with Ginobili's hold at all to make a Bonner for Robinson deal. They can (and pretty much have to) do it between now and draft night, not in July when all that cap business comes into effect.
If Spurs get rid of Manu's cap hold quickly by resigning him at a lesser deal, Spurs should be able to get this done by trading Bonner. Would save the Rockets about 3M when they Waive Bonner. This seems like a very Spurs move tbh.
The Spurs don't need to mess with Ginobili's hold at all to make a Bonner for Robinson deal. They can (and pretty much have to) do it between now and draft night, not in July when all that cap business comes into effect.
Bonner for Robinson.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p5cocd5
You'd be surprised how many power-forwards are that height. Robinson isn't undersized for a four; he just doesn't have the game of one.
Living near Sacramento, I follow the Kings pretty closely. It's brutal what the franchise has gone through the last few years. I'm really hoping the new ownership can turn it around.
There haven't been any rumblings about Robinson being a bad buy, lacking work ethic, problem child off the court, whatever. As far as I can tell, he's fallen victim to lack of leadership, no direction, and players dictating stuff. The same thing happened to Donte Greene, Omri Casspi, JJ Hickson, and a few other guys. They'd be playing and producing, you could see the potential, and then they wouldn't play for 3-5 games.
I really like what I see from Robinson and assuming the Spurs don't have to give up a lot, I think he'd be worth the gamble. I think he'd flourish with the Spurs system and leadership.
Won't happen. The Rockets need to clear the full amount of Robinson's contract, not all but $1M of it (the guaranteed portion of Bonner's final year).
We're talking about essentially swapping him for Bonner here. Worst comes to worst, he sits on the bench all year or gets traded as an expiring at the deadline. Best case? Productive big to put next to Duncan and Splitter for the next few years. Could easily be a Hickson-type of player.
I doubt Robinson would be the Spurs biggest offseason move. He'd be a nice player to add but I think that the Spurs will look to make some other nice moves, as well.
How Spurs couldnt eat his salary with projected 20mln cap space ? Anybody care to explain ?
If Robinson pans out he would be a steal.
By my quick calculations, the Spurs could theoretically take Robinson's contract using cap space if they take care of Manu on Day 1, signing him to a smaller deal and thus eliminating his cap hold. It would be close, however. The number I'm getting for the Spurs is $56.17 million*. If the cap came in at $60 million, this would barely give the Spurs enough cap space to absorb Robinson's $3.53 million contract for next year.
*Assumptions I used:
**Everyone picks up their player options
**Spurs keep everyone who has non-guaranteed contracts
**They sign Manu to a deal worth $5mil in year one
**They offer Gary his QO but denounce the rights to Blair, McGrady, and everyone else
**The number also includes a cap hold of $7,493,600 for Splitter and $893,500 for the #28 pick
**As always, all numbers from ShamSports: http://data.shamsports.com/content/p...ries/spurs.jsp
(Of course, please correct my numbers if there's something I'm missing.)
IF is the question. I want to know what he is supposed to bring this team? I know nothing about him except his crap stats on crap teams. Don`t we have guys who can already do better than that? I find it hard to believe this is the answer to winning a le. There are better players out there...
Currently, I think it's just a matter of waiting until everyone's contracts are officially off the books, meaning the deal can be done but it'll have to wait until July 1st.
I thought the Spurs had much more cap space.
And Rockets cant offer anything to Howard before that day. I still dont get how 3rd team must be involved.
Unless the Spurs denounce their rights to Ginobili and Splitter (or either retires/signs with another team), then, in addition to the salaries already on the books, you have to include a "cap hold" for these players when calculating the Spurs space under the cap. Based on their current contracts and years in service, Ginobili's cap hold is $19,136,250, and Splitter's is $7,493,600. So, even though the Spurs only have $41,666,028 in contracts on the books, they have no cap space until at least Manu's situation is resolved.
I guess a third team must be involved if the Rockets want to go into July 1st ready to make Dwight an offer, rather than work out a deal first with the Spurs then make the offer.
The word is "renounce" not "denounce." There is a huge difference.
This guy is garbage at the free throw line. Mini Dwight Howard.
LOL, you're right. My apologies.
Edit: That said, some Spurs fans are already denouncing Manu.
Oh I see someone knows something more about it. Why Spurs need to keep Ginobili`s rights ? They wont go over the cap with his bird rights and he is UFA. Why keep him with 19mil cap hold ?
The cap IS going to be at $58.5 Million.
Also, without actually doing your calculations, I don't understand your conclusions:
The Spurs have $19.3 Million in space not counting Ginobili, Neal or Splitter. The Spurs don't have to agree with Ginobili right away; they can just renounce his rights (eliminating the hold) and sign him to whatever's left after all the moves are made.
Splitter takes $7.5 Million, so that leaves $12.3 Million (the team gets a $490k roster charge taken away).
Neal takes $1.1 Million so that leaves $11.7 Million
Robinson takes $3.4 Million, which drops the cap space to $8.8 Million.
Provided they keep their pick (unlikely if they're making this trade, but whatever), the final cap number is around $8.4 Million. So the team has a lot of room to sign Ginobili to a fair deal AND still bring in a player like Aminu or make a bid World Peace, AND sign a backup point-guard like CJ Watson.
, so basically other than him being a top 5 pick you have no idea why him joining the spurs would be a good idea (a steal, in your words). Just thought you may know something we didnt about TR, you dont.
Damn, I hate quoting myself accidentally. It's so conceited.
This doesnt make any sense and guy who wrote this article cant know this. It`s either bull with 3rd team or collective bargain says something else.
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