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there is no way you could make that claim before the moratorium
They could also stay over the cap and still have the MLE at then end of it all.
there is no way you could make that claim before the moratorium
Bonner would provide some cap relief since his contract his mostly non guaranteed
You can get pretty close. It would be pretty apparent if it were going to be significantly higher. It's based off values that are already known; the league just hasn't officially done the calculation yet.
didn't they announce that league revenue went up quite a bit this season?
"....The Rockets are in advanced talks on a cap-clearing trade of forward Thomas Robinson, with a deal potentially “imminent,” a person with knowledge of their plans said on Tuesday." http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...medium=twitter
I see. Well he'd be a great pick up imo if were traded for Bonner but surely the Rockets can get a better deal than that. Sounds like Cleveland is the heavy favorite to land his services right now.
He was actually measured before the draft so that is concrete evidence at his height. Never trust the "listed" height, it's usually just the players or agent wanting to make him seem taller than he really is so teams will give him a second look. A prime example is Blair, who is probably 6'5-6'6, used to be listed at a generous 6'8.
As for Thomas Robinson for Bonner trade, I think the Spurs have to scrutinize every deal if they want to remain under the cap. If they didn't have cap space, then this deal is a no brainer. But every million counts when the Spurs are under the cap. His $4 million salary could be the difference between a $7 million free agent or a $3 million free agent. That's the difference between Mike Dunleavy and re-signing Gary Neal. That is very significant so the Spurs should mull their options carefully.
If I have this right, the basic line on his offensive game coming out of school was that he was fairly effective on the block (but in need of refinement), and that he had a jumper that he could take as far out as the elbow, but it wasn't reliable and his form needed work. Is that about right?
And defensively, the basic book is that he's fairly strong, mobile enough to defend just about any 4, and reasonably tough, right?
As long as he's coachable and the part about him having a great motor is correct, he sounds like a guy who could be truly amazing if he develops like a good Spurs player -- figure Chip helps him get his jumper worked out, he learns how to tighten up his post game from Tim, and he figures out the scheme, and he's a guy who can have a real impact on both ends of the court.
If all of that is right and the front office has confidence in this kid, Houston could be holding out for a package of this year's #1, a future #1, and Bonner and it could still be worth it.
not sure why they want him. Tristan Thompson is better than Robinson. are the rebuilding cavs really looking to deal a first to get a backup 4?
Well I guess you must watch every single minute of Rocket and Kings games cause you couldnt even blink or you would miss the TR show. I dont dislke the kid, I just dont thiink you or 99% of everyone here knows much about him either. I can also read off his strengths and weaknesses from draft sites like you did if you want.
Well you might not think it, but you're wrong, because I do have a great deal of knowledge about TR and have seen quite an extensive amount of his games, dating back to his early college days at KU. I can't speak for the other 99% here that you referenced. That being said, the perception of how much Spurs fans know about Thomas Robinson is not a supporting argument for personal dismissal of him as a viable potential asset for the Spurs to acquire, particularly when you declared that you personally know absolutely nothing about him.
So you are going off his strengths in college then? So let me get this straight, you have knowledge of his game from college but have not watched him at the NBA level? I do not think I have ever said I had a vast knowledge of skills and have not listed his skill sets like you have. I am concerned that 2 teams seem to see nothing in this kid and to take a loss on both trades (if rockets do trade him).
Nope, I said my knowledge of TR "dates back" to his college days, not that it is limited to his college days. I've seen him as both a collegian and a pro, extensively. You've seen him in on a stats chart. And the Rockets' motivation to trade him is based on a desire to create the necessary space to make their max offer to Dwight Howard, not because they "see nothing in (the) kid."
Agree. TR is the only one the Rockets can easily trade to clear cap space for Howard. What team do you think want Patterson over TR? The Rockets have to sacrifice TR in order to get Howard. My two cents!
Yes yes yes.
Tbh right now he's not very good but if he was we wouldn't have a shot at getting him. But he can realize his potential here and it's not a big risk for a relatively high reward.
Tiago Splitter had one somewhat good PO series in 3 years, he wasn't cutting it, we did most of the last two runs with Boris at the second big, fact.
I don't think any trades wil be made until draft day. But, if we could somehow get rid of Bonner AND pick up T-Rob, that would be a Godsend tbh.
While he'll never be a star obviously, I think Robinson can be a really solid role player in this league in the right situation, and there's no better situation for him than the Spurs. His game is really similar to Paul Millsap and would provide a much cheaper option with more upside, albeit with less production, at least at first.
I really don't see Rockets getting an offer as good as #19+TE for Robinson. His trade value is significantly lower after his bad season even more that Houston will be in a weakness position with their need to create some capspace.
IMO, Bonner + Mills for Robinson + Royce White would be the best offer they would receive.
It's interesting how similar Robinson is to Al Farouq Aminu. Robinson is a quarter inch taller, both have 7'3" wingspans (like Leonard), and both are very good rebounders. Robinson is 20 pounds heavier. Aminu has better FG% and FT%. Robinson would be better at guarding PFs and Aminu would be better suited guarding SFs. Both are about 40% away from the rim from jumpshot range. Aminu has better +/- numbers.
Without our first round pick?
thinking Pop would trade Bonner. Keep wishing Spurstalk
Pop was willing to trade his favorite player so there's hope but would he trade his soulmate??
Yeah and I'm not even sure Spurs would add the Mills/White swap. Their best offer might just be Bonner for Robinson.
The issue with Robinson is that he is an expensive project. His 2013-2014 salary is $3.5M and the option for his $3.7M 2014-2015 salary must be picked at the end of next season training camp. Spurs would have to invest $7.2M in him before he even played a regular season game for them. That a lot of money for a player who has had a so-so rookie season.
NBA measurements are actually based off how tall they are in shoes. and they usually add 1 1/4" with shoes. so he is a 6'9" PF. with a 7'3" wingspan. is very athletic and strong.
so compare dejuan blair was 6'5 1/4" with out shoes and 6'6 1/2" with shoes. and a 7'2" wingspan. so robinson is 3" taller and has a longer wingspan as well.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/DeJuan-Blair-5049/
I live in Mizzou/Kansas territory and I despise KU but this is the only player in the history of the Jayhawks I'd root for. Character and work ethic would NOT be an issue with him. He was never worthy of a top 5 pick but he's absolutely a strong NBA contributor, guarantee he's just been placed in bad NBA situations. If you don't know his story, give it a read, I'd venture to guess it's much worse than what happened to Kawhi. Bill Self builds team players and I'd be thrilled if he landed with our Spurs.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...-espn-magazine
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