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ever heard of hassan whiteside? and he even had better size and strength with no torn acl.
mayb asked earlier but what's the name of the right one
Dawn Jaro, tbh.
ever heard of hassan whiteside? and he even had better size and strength with no torn acl.
Didn't he miss his junior year of high school with a knee injury? Or was it his sop re year? Noel is probably the best shotblocker I have ever seen at his age, but you gotta really wonder about health with him.
Aldridge is overpaid and his ceiling isnt very high.
I'd take that deal if Im Portland. Its much easier for the Cavs to make the playoffs with Irving and Aldridge than it is for Portland to make the playoffs.
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I wanted to say likewise, but, was afraid I'd be made fun of. tee, hee.
You're comparing a player that was drafted 33rd (in the second round) for good reason, to a 1st overall pick in Nerlens Noel? Seriously?
Players didn't even sniff Dejuan Blair because he has no ACLs, lets see how far Nerlens Noel will end up dropping. If he didn't tear his ACL though, there seriously is a big dropoff between the first overall and any of the other top 5 picks imo.
The dude is averaging 20 points, almost 10 rebounds, 1 steal and 1 block. What more of a ceiling do you want? lol
Yes, I've heard of Hassan Whiteside.
Did you know he was a borderline 3-star while Noel was the top player in the 2012 class after graduating a year early from his top-3 ranking for the loaded 2013 class.
He's one of the best defensive athletes I have ever seen, eliciting a "Young Hakeem" comparison by a scout I know.
He's a beanpole at 6-11, 215, and has wide shoulders and a long torso, meaning have a lower center of gravity, ideal for added weight/strength, with amazing instincts, timing, and athleticism.
At the time of his injury Noel had over 100 blocks and 50 steals in 24 games as a slight, year-young prospect.
I get the Hakeem reference for defensive potential.
He also has a mean streak. He isn't listless. He's active, engaged, and fiercely compe ive as demonstrated by the play he was injured on.
None of his injuries were reoccurring. They were all just things that happen.
I'd be more concerned about Len's foot turning into Zydrunas 2.0.
Give the 18-YO elite defensive prospect time, training, coaching and with his drive, I think he's the only potential HoF in this draft.
Last edited by JMarkJohns; 06-26-2013 at 12:47 AM.
Thanks for the info. First time I saw Noel was watching a game where he played Drummond to a draw, which really impressed me since Drummond has such a ridiculous combination of size and athleticism. And yet Noel could still block his shot even though he was a year or two younger. All the injury history really scared me about him though.
Noel is nearly two years younger than Drummond.
I don't evoke Hakeem at all. That's sacrilege. But I see the same intensity, skills, instincts as Mourning, who was a great player pre-injury/disease.
But I get the Hakeem reference for the 250 blocks, 150 steals potential.
What's most intriguing to me is we really have no idea his ceiling since he is so young, undersized, under-coached.
It wouldn't shock me if by the time he's 25 Noel is a 15 PPG, 12 RPG, 3+ BPG, 2+ SPG defensive stud and an anchor that would complement any stretch four nicely.
Get him an elbow or baseline jumper and he could sneak closer to 18-20 PPG.
I have those who think in crazy, but I think Noel is the better prospect than Anthony Davis.
It's also worth noting that if Noel continued the way he was playing at the time of his injury, Kentucky makes the tournament and maybe wins 1-2 games, and Noel is the undisputed #1 pick. He was really coming around at the time he tore his ACL.
Hassan Whiteside comparisons
I think Noel and McLemore are the only two players in this draft who are more than long shots to become all stars. After them the draft is really weak.
Exactly. In addition, he's one of the most coachable, hardest working stars I've ever seen. Like Dwight Howard potential with a Tim Duncan approach to learning, preparation, practice.
If big men were still developed offensively in high school like they were in the 80s, he'd be one of the most coveted prospects of the decade. While no one knows his offensive promise, Noel has the hands, timing, and work ethic to actually develop, not just end up DeAndre Jordan 2.0.
If the Suns had the pieces without trading future picks, I'd be screaming for them to trade up.
ty-ass drafts of the past strike again!
This is exactly why I want the Cavaliers to take Noel. If he hadn't gotten hurt there wouldn't even be a discussion in terms of who would be #1.
to me that's just speculation, the facts are that he has no offensive game and an acl torn multiple times, i would never draft someone with that resume' 1st overall no matter how bad this draft can be.
Nah, his other knee injury involved the kneecap if I'm not mistaken.
Cause this draft sucks
What's speculation?
The facts are Noel averaged 5 BPG and 2 SPG per 40 faster than Olajuwon or Robinson (the only other two to do so), despite being slighter of frame and arguably playing tougher overall compe ion since neither Navy nor Houston were in juggernaut conferences.
4.6 and 2.1 with 9+ rebounds and 10+ points with very good points-per-shot for such a raw player.
Knee injuries were separate and isolated.
happens. Neither were from a fundamental at rural issue like Oden's slight leg-length difference, or Walton's chronic foot fractures.
6-10+ with 7-4 wingspan at 215 playing weight and he averaged 4.6 BPG.
Imagine when he adds strength?
It's harder to learn defense than offense.
Noel has the hands to be good off the bounce and off the pass.
It's crazy to me how many detractors he has.
Anthony Davis was too raw for the NBA to begin with. Give him a couple more seasons though, I can see him turning into a solid player.
I like Davis quite a bit. Just think very highly of Noel.
Shoot better, rebound better, block better etc than the average power forward.
http://www.thenbageek.com/players/273-lamarcus-aldridge
A power forward shooting 48% from 2pt range aint cutting it, regardless of his salary. His point per shot was actually below average against other PFs. So why the does he make so much? Because he shoots a lot?
No thanks.
Yeah same here, Davis is a defensive beast in the making.
But like I said before, prior to his ACL tear, Noel would be #1 without a hint of doubt. Post-ACL tear, however, there really is no clear #1 and Cavs just trying to walk away with highway robbery here
Not to mention his game is ugly. He doesn't just shoot a lot of jumpers; he shoots a lot of step-back fadeaways like he's trying to be Dirk. I was watching some highlights of him, and it seemed like every shot he took was like he thought the shot clock was running down.
Just compare Aldridge to Duncan last season:
http://www.thenbageek.com/players/co..._ids%5B%5D=303
Duncan wasnt just "Better". He was "significantly better" in rebounding and blocks and even better in shooting/scoring.
And hes 10 years older than Aldridge.
There are a ton of PFs that are worse than Aldrige tbh... Markieff Morris comes to mind.
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