Nevermind - ESPN had it wrong. Tiago is restricted hence the cap hold.
All free agents that weren't waived have cap holds. But Splitter has a qualifying offer, so I didn't renounce him in that scenario.?The Spurs could renounces him too, and he'd only count for $4.9 Million, but then they wouldn't be able to go over the cap to re-sign him. That's still not a bad deal if they think he's not going to get a big deal and they want to use the space on someone else.
I'm pretty sure that the Spurs are fairly stats intense, so anyone they draft is going to do well in their analytic system. I've wrote the same post 5 times about how their drafting matches up decently with the WoW guys, but most of those players cam out well in Pelton's draft ratings for WARP
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft...prospects-warp(Current Year)
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft...jections-fared (Past Years)
George Hill was 14th in the 08 rater, Chalmers was the only higher rated player available.
Blair was first in the 09 rater.
James Anderson was 12th, only higher rated player available was Hassan Whiteside
Kawhi was 7th, Mirotic and Faried available were rated higher.
Denmon was 9th, no one available rated higher.
This years highly ranked by WARP players projected 20 or later.
Roberson, DJ Cooper, Pierre Jackson, Nate Walters, Arsalan Kazemi, Mike Muscala.
and
from: http://wagesofwins.com/2013/06/25/20...ty-good-draft/
Wolters, Kazemi, Franklin and DJ Stephens.
I'd focus your attention on those 2 groups of guys.
Last edited by jesterbobman; 06-26-2013 at 05:22 AM.
Stats don't mean everything, we know for a fact that Chip has a big say as well, there's also the character factor (doesn't have to be an angel but just a hard worker). And they factor needs as well, a contender like the Spurs that has limited playing time for propects can't completely ignore needs and just draft the best available.
Where was Cory Joseph in these rankings?
I know that stats aren't the only thing, the cultural fit is also important. We just don't have a metric way of evaluating cultural fit, so there's not a central list of how players fit on the team to inform our evaluations of who to look at.
CoJo was 29th. Not as highly ranked, and a decent stats prospect rather than a great one.
Yeah at the time a lot of people questioned if Cojo was a rational pick if it was mostly the RC connection.
Still it's interesting stuff, it's pretty shocking to see guys like Crabbe, Bullock and Erick Green on the list of "landmines"...
My top 5 preferred picks...
1. Gorgui Dieng- Great defender in every area. Would greatly increase chances of competing for le in '13-'14 (unlikely to fall this far)
2. Jamaal Franklin- Extremely athletic. Very good perimeter defender and excellent rebounder. (may be available)
3. Lucas Nogueira- Great length. Runs the floor well, but very light and not the strongest big man. (may be available)
4. Mike Muscala- Extremely polished and is a hard worker. Great post moves, but concerns about strength (will be available)
5. Livio Jean-Charles- Great length and potential. Would come over in 1-2 years. (will be available)
A trade package of De Colo & 1st rd. pick-- how far up the first round could they get with that?
A pick in the late teens (Hawks' 18th pick) or one in the early 20s?
Excellent post! I was looking for these links to post the same thing. It's the most logical way to guess who the Spurs will draft under known scenarios (no trades for better or worse picks)
I like Muscala. I believe we should take him. Might be a two year project but the end result will be great. Seems to want to put in the work to get better, and he has post moves. Something the bigs nowadays are staying away from.
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This is very interesting but I really don't like any of those prospects. The only one being Wolters and I still wouldn't really like that pick.
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No, don't trade Nando. Play Nando.............................
The haters will become believers when they see the light that Nando has to offer. Play Nando...................
............Play Blair............is that you?..............
draft cheat sheet courtesy of the guys at the wagesofwins (link below)...prospects are grouped into 3 catergories
Great - picked by both of their statistical models (surefire prospects)
Good - picked by one of their statistical models (worth taking a gamble on)
Bust - self explanatory
http://wagesofwins.com/2013/06/27/20...e-cheat-sheet/
i hope so
So, given that the wages of Wins guys have updated their model and included the Euro guys, updated list of players is
Muscala
Wolters
Kazemi
Bullock
Franklin
Ray McCallum
Gobert
Nougiera
As wages of wins players to target, and Wolters, Kazemi, Muscala, Roberson, DJ Cooper, Pierre jackson by WARP.(Pelton)
I would aim for Muscala/Gobert/Nougiera, and then look for one of the other guys of they're gone.
Great stuff jesterbobman!
Any idea why these players have parts of their rankings blacked out?
Giannis Adetokunbo Dennis Schroeder Ricky Ledo
These are the top rated players according to WoW, including international from what I saw on their spreadsheet (based on both models picking them):
Player Pos Ht Wins/48 Nerlens Noel C 6'10" 0.151 Victor Oladipo SG 6'5" 0.142 Lucas Nogueira C 7' 0.131 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope SG 6'5" 0.122 Mike Muscala C 6'11" 0.120 C.J. McCollum PG 6'3" 0.116 Rudy Gobert C 7'2" 0.111 Jamaal Franklin SG 6'5" 0.105 Otto Porter SF 6'8" 0.099 Jack Cooley C 6'9" 0.098 Ben McLemore SG 6'5" 0.097 Shane Larkin PG 5'11" 0.095 D.J. Stephens PF 6'5" 0.090 Trey Burke PG 6'1" 0.089
The "sure hit" players on this list are heavy in C and SG, which are what we are looking for. With 14 players on the "sure hit" list, this is actually a pretty deep draft. I was surprised to see Nogueira and Muscala ranked so high. If we don't get one of those 2, I'd want Franklin. We need to shore up the 2 spot quick and Franklin would do that. Other than those 3, the rest are either sure picks before ours or are players that are mostly undersized (and I'm tired of undersized players!!!).
I've never heard of Jack Cooley before. I wonder if he could play PF instead of C. ST would melt down if we drafted him as another undersized C... LOL!
The same for DJ Stephens.... a 6'5" PF and weighs only 187 lbs... really?
Ok the Draft is today, so, at the end, what kind of player do fans want?
In my case...I think I want a 6'7/6'8 guy that can handle the ball and penetrate...why not!
I dont care about 3PT shooting, rebounds, anything else.
Our second unit need a guy that can attack strong.
A guy that could play SG and SF, taking Neal minutes but stronger and bigger.
Brett Brown is bringing some Ozzies to SA. Wouldnt count Dellavedova out.
[QUOTE=bluebellmaniac;6708896]Great stuff jesterbobman!
Any idea why these players have parts of their rankings blacked out?
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Giannis Adetokunbo Dennis Schroeder Ricky Ledo
Ledo has not played above HS, the other two didn't play in leagues with enough data to translate into NBA.
So those three need scouts to evaluate instead of the computers.
Thanks Drom John!
Just out of curiosity, how do you think Brown's possible departure would effect this?
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