What should the Spurs do with Manu this offseason?

[TheGreatYacht]

For the Spurs sake I hope they don't go the route of keeping the status quo and thinking that they'll be just as good next year. I want to be optimistic but I don't know if Duncan can sustain another solid year like he did and Manu and Parker were both injured last year for long stretches of the season. I do see Pop giving plays to Kawhi but outside of that I don't see them developing anyone else at this point so its time to get athletic with the cap space that they have.

The Spurs should not consider this anything like the deal with Duncan last year.. 2 different players and different impacts on the team. If Duncan were off this team they'd be a s on the inside, would be just a horrible thing to do but we've seen Manu out of the lineup for long stretches with injuries and we've maintained and over the course of the playoffs he didn't have any single performances on consecutive nights that were needed to win games. Vet Minimum is ideal, 1.5 to 2.0 with maybe some incentives to boost the salary. Tiago is going to get overpaid, I just hope not by the Spurs.

This. Spurs should not overpay Manu and Tiago. I agree with your deal on Manu. I voted option B on the poll but now I wish I can change my mind and pick C LOL.

[ElNono]

For the Spurs sake I hope they don't go the route of keeping the status quo and thinking that they'll be just as good next year. I want to be optimistic but I don't know if Duncan can sustain another solid year like he did and Manu and Parker were both injured last year for long stretches of the season. I do see Pop giving plays to Kawhi but outside of that I don't see them developing anyone else at this point so its time to get athletic with the cap space that they have.

The Spurs should not consider this anything like the deal with Duncan last year.. 2 different players and different impacts on the team. If Duncan were off this team they'd be a s on the inside, would be just a horrible thing to do but we've seen Manu out of the lineup for long stretches with injuries and we've maintained and over the course of the playoffs he didn't have any single performances on consecutive nights that were needed to win games. Vet Minimum is ideal, 1.5 to 2.0 with maybe some incentives to boost the salary. Tiago is going to get overpaid, I just hope not by the Spurs.

I personally think we're going to need to replace Neal, hopefully with an upgrade, and the situation with Tiago has me on the fences... I think he's an extremely limited guy, but at the same time, he's done a good job on defense, where I think the Spurs need to keep the focus on and also gives Tim the opportunity not to have to be the sole anchor inside. I just don't see many FAs out there right now that look like a major upgrade. Then we'll need some depth considering Blair, T-Mac, and hopefully Bonner are likely gone.

My intuition tells me that the fact we got to the WCF last season and improved to the Finals this season will embolden the FO to somewhat keep the status quo, tbh... there will be some changes and upgrades, perhaps some role changes based on those upgrades, but I would be surprised if there's anything major. Ride Kawhi, Green and perhaps Tiago improvements, see if they can also get CoJo and De Colo to improve and contribute too. Under that scenario, I see the Spurs offering a compe ive salary to Manu ($3m-$5m), and I think that's ok.

I think once Duncan is gone, that's when they're going to perhaps try to make a bigger splash.

Now, before the "LOL we're gonna suck, you want the Spurs to fail", I'm just saying what I suspect it's going to happen. I have no actual say on any of that, and I could be completely wrong about it. We'll see.

[DPG21920]

If Manu takes 5M or less, he should be really appreciated for that.

[TheGoldStandard]

I personally think we're going to need to replace Neal, hopefully with an upgrade, and the situation with Tiago has me on the fences... I think he's an extremely limited guy, but at the same time, he's done a good job on defense, where I think the Spurs need to keep the focus on and also gives Tim the opportunity not to have to be the sole anchor inside. I just don't see many FAs out there right now that look like a major upgrade. Then we'll need some depth considering Blair, T-Mac, and hopefully Bonner are likely gone.

My intuition tells me that the fact we got to the WCF last season and improved to the Finals this season will embolden the FO to somewhat keep the status quo, tbh... there will be some changes and upgrades, perhaps some role changes based on those upgrades, but I would be surprised if there's anything major. Ride Kawhi, Green and perhaps Tiago improvements, see if they can also get CoJo and De Colo to improve and contribute too. Under that scenario, I see the Spurs offering a compe ive salary to Manu ($3m-$5m), and I think that's ok.

I think once Duncan is gone, that's when they're going to perhaps try to make a bigger splash.

Now, before the "LOL we're gonna such, you want the Spurs to fail", I'm just saying what I suspect it's going to happen. I have no actual say on any of that, and I could be completely wrong about it. We'll see.

The Spurs as is are good enough to make the playoffs, probably will get past the 1st round with the team we have right now.. I just hate to think that they'll keep it simple as our core players enter there twilight. I agree that there are positions that the Spurs need to upgrade, Neal will get paid elsewhere I don't see the Spurs valuing him enough to pay him a high salary, don't know who they'd replace him with, maybe a draft prospect but they need to get bigger in size. The future of this league is length at all positions.

Tiago is a liability, he played competent defense against true bigs but he's slow when it comes to athletic guys which the league is changing to, he's probably maxed out offensively too.. No post game, no jump shot just an awkward swinging hook.

I just hope it doesn't take Duncan retiring for the Spurs to start scrambling to get players to make them compe ive given the amount of drop off they'll have once he's gone.

[TheGreatYacht]

I personally think we're going to need to replace Neal, hopefully with an upgrade, and the situation with Tiago has me on the fences... I think he's an extremely limited guy, but at the same time, he's done a good job on defense, where I think the Spurs need to keep the focus on and also gives Tim the opportunity not to have to be the sole anchor inside. I just don't see many FAs out there right now that look like a major upgrade. Then we'll need some depth considering Blair, T-Mac, and hopefully Bonner are likely gone.
My intuition tells me that the fact we got to the WCF last season and improved to the Finals this season will embolden the FO to somewhat keep the status quo, tbh... there will be some changes and upgrades, perhaps some role changes based on those upgrades, but I would be surprised if there's anything major. Ride Kawhi, Green and perhaps Tiago improvements, see if they can also get CoJo and De Colo to improve and contribute too. Under that scenario, I see the Spurs offering a compe ive salary to Manu ($3m-$5m), and I think that's ok.
I think once Duncan is gone, that's when they're going to perhaps try to make a bigger splash.
Now, before the "LOL we're gonna such, you want the Spurs to fail", I'm just saying what I suspect it's going to happen. I have no actual say on any of that, and I could be completely wrong about it. We'll see.

LOL well I hope sure you're wrong on every single thing you said from ^^^ statement. TBH I really think that Al Jefferson and David West would have no problem replacing Tiago. I mean they both average slightly more rebounds and blocks than Tiago I think. Why wait till Tim Duncan is gone to make a splash? He's the main reason (and Kawhi) why we almost won #5. Might as well get Tim Duncan the help he needs and improve our chances big time by winning #5.

Fuc* that idea of hoping that CoJo and Nando further develop to play that desperately backup PG role. IMOP I would be content if the Spurs pick up a good backup PG via free agency and kept the rest of the team intact, minus Dejuan Blair of course, and try to get Aaron Baynes more involved.

[TheGoldStandard]

LOL well I hope sure you're wrong on every single thing you said from ^^^ statement. TBH I really think that Al Jefferson and David West would have no problem replacing Tiago. I mean they both average slightly more rebounds and blocks than Tiago I think. Why wait till Tim Duncan is gone to make a splash? He's the main reason (and Kawhi) why we almost won #5. Might as well get Tim Duncan the help he needs and improve our chances big time by winning #5.

Fuc* that idea of hoping that CoJo and Nando further develop to play that desperately backup PG role. IMOP I would be content if the Spurs pick up a good backup PG via free agency and kept the rest of the team intact, minus Dejuan Blair of course, and try to get Aaron Baynes more involved.

not a lot of true PG's out there.

[TheGreatYacht]

not a lot of true PG's out there.

Jarret Jack, Jose Calderon, Nate Robinson, Devin Harris, Mo Williams, Chauncey Billups, Jerryd Bayless, Derek Fisher (we could probably get him for the veteran's minimum), CJ Watson, and Jeff Teague. Those are all that I can think of from the top of my head.

[TheGoldStandard]

Jarret Jack, Jose Calderon, Nate Robinson, Devin Harris, Mo Williams, Chauncey Billups, Jerryd Bayless, Derek Fisher (we could probably get him for the veteran's minimum), CJ Watson, and Jeff Teague. Those are all that I can think of from the top of my head.

Teague and Calderon are the only ones I'd like to see.. Don't see Chauncey playing a full season even in a backup role and the others are shoot first guards.

[ElNono]

The Spurs as is are good enough to make the playoffs, probably will get past the 1st round with the team we have right now.. I just hate to think that they'll keep it simple as our core players enter there twilight. I agree that there are positions that the Spurs need to upgrade, Neal will get paid elsewhere I don't see the Spurs valuing him enough to pay him a high salary, don't know who they'd replace him with, maybe a draft prospect but they need to get bigger in size. The future of this league is length at all positions.

Tiago is a liability, he played competent defense against true bigs but he's slow when it comes to athletic guys which the league is changing to, he's probably maxed out offensively too.. No post game, no jump shot just an awkward swinging hook.

I just hope it doesn't take Duncan retiring for the Spurs to start scrambling to get players to make them compe ive given the amount of drop off they'll have once he's gone.

Well, as far as Tiago goes, I know the impression is what you have right now, but players can change and improve. He's young. He definitely needs a lot of work in his game. The Spurs should know by know what kind of guy they have, but also what kind of guy they can get to replace him. We need a 7 footer there, and those are not that easy to find nor cheap.

The reality is that unless Kawhi starts showing signs that he can be a superstar (and you can't rule that out at this point), we're going to have a severe drop when Duncan hangs em up. You can call me a homer, but I would even say we're going to have a fairly big drop if Manu retires too. People already severely underestimated the impact of a player like Bowen, even though he clearly lost a step before we got rid of him. It took us 4-5 years to eventually find a capable replacement and get back to playing defense.

[TheGoldStandard]

Well, as far as Tiago goes, I know the impression is what you have right now, but players can change and improve. He's young. He definitely needs a lot of work in his game. The Spurs should know by know what kind of guy they have, but also what kind of guy they can get to replace him. We need a 7 footer there, and those are not that easy to find nor cheap.

The reality is that unless Kawhi starts showing signs that he can be a superstar (and you can't rule that out at this point), we're going to have a severe drop when Duncan hangs em up. You can call me a homer, but I would even say we're going to have a fairly big drop if Manu retires too. People already severely underestimated the impact of a player like Bowen, even though he clearly lost a step before we got rid of him. It took us 4-5 years to eventually find a capable replacement and get back to playing defense.

I think the drop in defense was the way the league was going Pop thought it would be beneficial to focus on offense plus nobody was coming to san Antonio.. I understand 7 footers don't grow on trees but offensively I think he's really maxed out, I haven't seen one ounce of work on the block when he goes back to the rim. He gives up ground real easy and is content taking that ty hook. His only major offense comes when he boards and puts the ball back. Also works if he catches the pick n roll low in the paint but that's not always the case.

[ElNono]

It's HARD to get FAs to San Antonio... it was hard to get them even when we were actual champs and Timmy was in his prime... remember the last time we had a ton of capspace and went all in for Jason Kidd? We ended up with what? Turkoglu?

[Rogue]

this summer will be a loyalty test on Manu imho. He's still a decent player but he isn't worth anything more than 5m/yr, if he really loves this team as much as I love my goddess he should choose to stay whatever the pay. Some teams will be offering him more than 5m/yr for his experience or his influence but it's not like anyone will be be paying him more than 10m a year. Manu is a smart guy and I believe he'll make the right decision for himself

[ElNono]

I think the drop in defense was the way the league was going Pop thought it would be beneficial to focus on offense plus nobody was coming to san Antonio.. I understand 7 footers don't grow on trees but offensively I think he's really maxed out, I haven't seen one ounce of work on the block when he goes back to the rim. He gives up ground real easy and is content taking that ty hook. His only major offense comes when he boards and puts the ball back. Also works if he catches the pick n roll low in the paint but that's not always the case.

I think Pop was convinced they couldn't play that kind of D without Bowen. That was also the time when the FO knee-jerked after the Gasol trade and thought they needed more 'star' talent. But Pop has been saying he wanted to focus on defense for the past 3-4 seasons, and it never panned out until this one. It's tough to play D when your personnel is Bonner, Blair, RJ and Neal... Kawhi and Green have been godsends there, but they put in the work.

As far as Tiago, I'm not going to disagree that he needs a lot of work. IMO, he needs much better court awareness in general (to improve rebounding and passing), an actual back to the basket game that doesn't involve up and unders and waist-level hookshots, and if he wants to have an NBA career, a jumper of some sort. It's a lot of work ahead of him, that's why it's tough. A guy like Al Jefferson has a lot of that down, but Jefferson is a much worse defender overall. So, you know, you don't want to break the excellent D, but you don't want to overpay for what's currently limited talent.

[HI-FI]

It's HARD to get FAs to San Antonio... it was hard to get them even when we were actual champs and Timmy was in his prime... remember the last time we had a ton of capspace and went all in for Jason Kidd? We ended up with what? Turkoglu?

that's ing sad. I remember that, I was so in favor us getting Kidd (i was already a parker hater then). Damn, Turkglu, i'll remember him most for eating a pizza pregame. i know it's asked but why the FA's avoid SA? lack of endorsements, party scene etc....?

[Rogue]

It's HARD to get FAs to San Antonio... it was hard to get them even when we were actual champs and Timmy was in his prime... remember the last time we had a ton of capspace and went all in for Jason Kidd? We ended up with what? Turkoglu?

hard to get big name FAs but you could still lure some outdated superstars in town if I remember correct. Finley joined your team and rang the next year while getting paid by them Mavs. It's never easy to sign a superstar from free agency imho, not just for them spurs but for almost everyone. We went all out on the Triple D program last summer but ended up with nothing.

[ElNono]

that's ing sad. I remember that, I was so in favor us getting Kidd (i was already a parker hater then). Damn, Turkglu, i'll remember him most for eating a pizza pregame. i know it's asked but why the FA's avoid SA? lack of endorsements, party scene etc....?

There's many reasons I can think off the top of my head... one is like you said, off the court money. Small market is small. Then the Spurs are not the kind of team that overpays players or hands bad contracts in general, so we're not going to outbid many teams. I also suspect the team and coaching staff is generally pretty demanding, so you can't come here to coast or mail it in, or you won't play much nor last long. The party scene I doubt it's that much different if you want to have fun, but that's another thing the Spurs don't do, hire party animal guys (Jack notwithstanding)...

[HI-FI]

There's many reasons I can think off the top of my head... one is like you said, off the court money. Small market is small. Then the Spurs are not the kind of team that overpays players or hands bad contracts in general, so we're not going to outbid many teams. I also suspect the team and coaching staff is generally pretty demanding, so you can't come here to coast or mail it in, or you won't play much nor last long. The party scene I doubt it's that much different if you want to have fun, but that's another thing the Spurs don't do, hire party animal guys (Jack notwithstanding)...

so I wonder how much of a chance we have of getting Dwight, with all that in mind....

[TheGreatYacht]

Bump. Looks like 20.51% of you were right. RC Buford and the FO are just as kind and loyal as you guys are.

[ChumpDumper]

Self bumping narcissism.

Are you going to kill yourself now as promised?