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    That should leave the team with plenty of flexibility. When will Kawhi Leonard need a long-term deal?
    He'll be restricted next summer. I'm sure he and his agent will evaluate the market, and decide if there are any offers to sign or if they should take the year 4 QO from San Antonio. I imagine that SA will match literally anything. They don't usually do this, but they may want to extend him like they did with Parker, before he hits free agency. Next summer is going to be a feeding frenzy of disappointed LeBron suitors.
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    He'll be restricted next summer. I'm sure he and his agent will evaluate the market, and decide if there are any offers to sign or if they should take the year 4 QO from San Antonio. I imagine that SA will match literally anything. They don't usually do this, but they may want to extend him like they did with Parker, before he hits free agency. Next summer is going to be a feeding frenzy of disappointed LeBron suitors.
    What? Leonard isn't a free agent until summer of 2015. No one has to worry about him leaving next summer. The Spurs can't even extend Leonard until then. This is just his second year, so he has two full ones left on his deal.
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    The Spurs will sign Leonard long-term, right?
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    Certainly, just not until after next season.
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    If Leonard continues to improve the Spurs will have to make a big choice. Becuase if he gets even better, he will be able to get a lot of money.
    Hopefully by that time Bonner, Mills, Blair...others are no longer getting paid.
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    Certainly, just not until after next season.
    Ok, thanks!
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    Shamsports had this to say about the Spurs' free-agent outlook:

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    Committed salary for 2013/14: $41,666,028 (view full forecast)

    Projected cap space: None


    It's a similar story with San Antonio - despite being far short of the cap, and extremely far short of the tax, cap holds for key players Manu Ginobili ($19,136,250, ten year veteran max - to be adjusted upwards after moratorium) andTiago Splitter ($7,493,600) take them almost certainly out of the race.
    http://www.shamsports.com/2013/06/th...eams-will.html

    Obviously, he's not assuming that Ginobili will sign a smaller deal quickly to potentially give the Spurs several million to work with. I think he's right functionally, though. I don't consider the Spurs under the cap unless they make some major moves. I doubt they do that, and by the end of draft night, I think we'll have a pretty good idea if they intend to stay over the cap or go under it.
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    If the Spurs want to salary dump either De Colo or Mills, I think Utah is the team that they trade with. They'll have a ton of caproom, no big time free agents will want to sign there, bad starting point guards, and no true backup other than whichever rookie they draft. Plus Lindsey is there.
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    If Spurs don't count on De Colo for next season, the easiest thing would be just to tell him that he isn't planned to play a bigger role next year. In that case, I don't see him wanting to stay with Spurs and a buyout could be negotiated to let him go back in Spain to sign with a team like Barcelona. And with the stretch provision a $600K buyout could only cost $200K against the cap.
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    ^ yeah that would be the best option for everyone, especially if Manu doesn't retire, I don't see any future for him with this team.
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    ^ yeah that would be the best option for everyone, especially if Manu doesn't retire, I don't see any future for him with this team.
    I would say that, if Spurs don't add another through free agency, 2 of Ginobili/Neal/De Colo will be back.

    Personally, I would go with Ginobili and De Colo.
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    With the possibility of having a lot of cap space if Manu retires and Splitter not being matched due to a rich offer, how can the spurs use a trade exception to get a player back? Must some asset be included by the team sending the TE in exchange for a player or is the TE enough?
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    With the possibility of having a lot of cap space if Manu retires and Splitter not being matched due to a rich offer, how can the spurs use a trade exception to get a player back? Must some asset be included by the team sending the TE in exchange for a player or is the TE enough?
    To be clear, the Spurs do not have a trade exception to use to acquire a player. If they were to trade for one in your scenario, they'd use cap space. The trading team would then get a trade exception (unless they were also under the cap) which they could use to acquire players as if they had cap space. A trade exception is not an asset that can be moved. It is created when a team trades a player and takes back less salary. Therefore, some asset must be included from all parties in the trade. It can just be a second-round pick or rights to a player abroad, or even cash. But it has to be something.
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    To be clear, the Spurs do not have a trade exception to use to acquire a player. If they were to trade for one in your scenario, they'd use cap space. The trading team would then get a trade exception (unless they were also under the cap) which they could use to acquire players as if they had cap space. A trade exception is not an asset that can be moved. It is created when a team trades a player and takes back less salary. Therefore, some asset must be included from all parties in the trade. It can just be a second-round pick or rights to a player abroad, or even cash. But it has to be something.
    OK, so say hypothetically the spurs with their cap space want to acquire DWade who will earn 18m next year. Taking the other assumptions re Manu and Tiago in mind, they still need to include a 2nd round pick to make that happen?
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    OK, so say hypothetically the spurs with their cap space want to acquire DWade who will earn 18m next year. Taking the other assumptions re Manu and Tiago in mind, they still need to include a 2nd round pick to make that happen?
    Yes. Or the rights to a player like Lorbek or cash.
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    So supposing the Spurs were left with, say, 8 million in space after re-signing Manu and Splitter, they would then have the 8 million plus a separate room exception of 2.575 million, do I understand that right?
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    So supposing the Spurs were left with, say, 8 million in space after re-signing Manu and Splitter, they would then have the 8 million plus a separate room exception of 2.575 million, do I understand that right?
    Yes.
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    DO NOT resign Tiago Splitter

    He sucks.Go after David West.If you lose West and Splitter. it.You aint winning with Splitter.
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    DO NOT resign Tiago Splitter

    He sucks.Go after David West.If you lose West and Splitter. it.You aint winning with Splitter.
    Oh how fickle fans can be.
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    Real question is how much is he worth? Teams are going to throw some serious scratch at him.
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    we have 2 days now to release Bonner... I was pleased with the guy this year, but he's not 4M worth.
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    So supposing the Spurs were left with, say, 8 million in space after re-signing Manu and Splitter, they would then have the 8 million plus a separate room exception of 2.575 million, do I understand that right?
    Looking at the team, they need to add two players to their core (a big and a guard). In a sign and trade, they could use DeColo and Mills contracts ($2.5 combined) which would give them $10.5 mil to sign one big free agent.

    Evans or Milsap- who would you sign?

    Or do you split that $10.5 in half and sign a big and guard.
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    Looking at the team, they need to add two players to their core (a big and a guard). In a sign and trade, they could use DeColo and Mills contracts ($2.5 combined) which would give them $10.5 mil to sign one big free agent.

    Evans or Milsap- who would you sign?

    Or do you split that $10.5 in half and sign a big and guard.
    If Spurs resign and commit to Splitter, then they dont also sign Milsap. Some here speculate that Manu could be had for the room exception, which would potentially free up more that the $8M suggested above. In either case, I'm spending on Evans as the future Manu "replacement" (I know no one can really do that). Money left over can go to picking up a 3/4 tweener who can defend multiple positions like Aminu, or failing that signing Hanga.

    Evans, Robinson (via trade), and Aminu-type would be an awesome off-season. In my book thats an upgrade from Bonner, Blair, and Neal.
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    Could someone explain the following about offers to RFA:

    (1) When can teams start doing that, and how long does the other team have to match?
    (2) What happens were more than 1 team bids on the same player at the same time?
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    Could someone explain the following about offers to RFA:

    (1) When can teams start doing that, and how long does the other team have to match?
    (2) What happens were more than 1 team bids on the same player at the same time?

    1. Teams are allowed to contact Free Agents on July 1st. Free Agents can officially sign with a new team on July 10. If a team wants to sign someone else’s restricted free agent, they have him ink an offer sheet. Then the player’s current team has three days to match it. If the team decides not to match, the player changes teams and the old team gets nothing in return. If the team matches, the player stays put and keeps the contract terms in the offer sheet.

    2. He can only sign one offer sheet.
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