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  1. #201
    silverblk mystix
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    You clearly don't know how science works, tbh.... stick to checking anuses at the county jail, B....
    This is why science is lost when it comes to spiritual things. Science works if the object is definable - god isn't.

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    Do we really need to copy/paste all those times science has been wrong?

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    Yes, in mechanical things that can be named and inspected and defined,etc...

    In things that are mysteries and cannot be defined - science cannot prove or disprove anything - these things are unexplainable to the conceptualizing mind. This is why they are mysteries. They do not fit into a concept.

    This is why no scientist or group of scientists have ever been able to prove there is or isn't a god.
    There you go pushing that burden of proof again. Scientists don't have to prove or disprove . You're the one with the belief structure.

    Here's how it goes:

    Joe: I think I can run to the end of the block
    Fred: No way, you're too fat:

    Joe runs to the end of the block, proving it.

    In your world...

    Joe: I think I can run to the end of the block
    Fred: No way, you're too fat:
    Joe: Oh yeah? Prove that I can't

    The burden of proof is on the proclaimer.

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    Do we really need to copy/paste all those times science has been wrong?
    And your point is? Scientist proves other scientist wrong, theory disproven, scientists go on testing.

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    And your point is? Scientist proves other scientist wrong, theory disproven, scientists go on testing.
    How about......science has been wrong so many times how can we go with...well according to science..."...????

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    There you go pushing that burden of proof again. Scientists don't have to prove or disprove . You're the one with the belief structure.

    Here's how it goes:

    Joe: I think I can run to the end of the block
    Fred: No way, you're too fat:

    Joe runs to the end of the block, proving it.

    In your world...

    Joe: I think I can run to the end of the block
    Fred: No way, you're too fat:
    Joe: Oh yeah? Prove that I can't

    The burden of proof is on the proclaimer.

    Bad analogy. I didn't say god existed. I said science is not superior when it comes to the issue or the idea of god.

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    How about......science has been wrong so many times how can we go with...well according to science..."...????
    You just don't get it.

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    You just don't get it.
    Well one of us doesn't that's for damn sure.

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    Well one of us doesn't that's for damn sure.
    Maybe it's your lack of education.

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    Maybe it's your lack of education.
    You have idea how funny that is?

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    You have idea how funny that is?
    It wasn't a joke. You've demonstrated it repeatedly, and not just in this thread.

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    It wasn't a joke. You've demonstrated it repeatedly, and not just in this thread.
    Such as..???

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    Bad analogy. I didn't say god existed. I said science is not superior when it comes to the issue or the idea of god.
    It was a good analogy.

    You're just stupid.

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    You're stupider.

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    It was a good analogy.

    You're just stupid.
    The angry name-caller is back rofl.

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    The angry name-caller is back rofl.
    For a guy who does nothing here but follow you/me around he sure has a big mouth doesn't he?

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    How about......science has been wrong so many times how can we go with...well according to science..."...????
    You clearly have no idea what the Scientific Method is, so the fact that you're trying to argue about science is laughable, tbh....

    P.S. You're a got

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    The angry name-caller is back rofl.
    Looks to me he's been here the whole time rofl.

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    For a guy who does nothing here but follow you/me around he sure has a big mouth doesn't he?
    You're just an angry dumb , dumb .

    And a liar.

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    Here's how it goes:

    Joe: I think I can run to the end of the block
    Fred: No way, you're too fat:

    Joe runs to the end of the block, proving it.

    In your world...

    Joe: I think I can run to the end of the block
    Fred: No way, you're too fat:
    Joe: Oh yeah? Prove that I can't

    The burden of proof is on the proclaimer.

    Science proclaims man Evolved from primate where's the proof?

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    It's always the same people arguing with Avante, SA210, SBM.

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    Do we have the cell phone today? Sure, so how come we didn't have the cell phone a 1000, 500, 100, years ago?
    Um, what?

    Relevence?

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    The only real way to get to the truth is evidence.




    Do you think this also applies to the question of a god - and how can this be when no one knows what a god is? How do you apply this logic on an absolute mystery? (Serious question)

    Isn't it convenient that science assigns the "burden of proof" on the other side so they never have to prove that a god does in fact exist?
    How do you know god is an "absolute mystery"? It would seem to be a pretty solvable mystery to me. We apply standards of evidence to everything else. To think that we should not apply some standard of evidence to claims about god is simply what is known as a "special pleading" logical fallacy.

    The burden of proof applies to whomever makes a claim.

    "There is a God" is a claim.

    "There is no God" is a claim.

    Both require proof.

    I, however, don't claim that "There is no God". I just have not seen any sound reasoning or sufficient evidence to prove there is a God. I really haven't seen any evidence, actually.

    Pretty big claim, means pretty big evidence is required.

    It is though, possible that there is a God, to me. I just don't know for certain.

    What I am certain about, is that the God of the bible, or the q'uran is bunk, hokum, bull , fairy tales, and/or supers ion.

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    You're not thinking little one.

    Just because us humans haven't figured something out yet doesn;t mean it doesn't exist.

    I know...zoooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
    A version of the "God in the gaps" argument, gotcha.

    As I said, it is possible God exists and that we will figure it out someday.

    "God does not exist" is not my claim, though.

    I will say we have no evidence of such a thing now. In 1750 we had no evidence that a single hand-held device would be capable of projecting our voice tens of thousands of miles. It would have been irrational at that time to think that such a thing existed.

    Today we have no evidence that god exists. It is therefore irrational to think such a thing exists.

    Now, if you are willing to admit belief in god/God/whatever is irrational, then we might be able to come to an agreement.

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    How do you know god is an "absolute mystery"? It would seem to be a pretty solvable mystery to me. We apply standards of evidence to everything else. To think that we should not apply some standard of evidence to claims about god is simply what is known as a "special pleading" logical fallacy.




    If it is a "pretty solvable mystery" why has no one solved it in thousands of years? If something is "beyond" concepts and "beyond" formulas - it is unsolvable and even unexplained. You cannot even put it into words - what makes you think it is a solvable mystery?
    Theologians ultimate knowledge on this subject is that it is an unexplainable mystery - and that it is unintelligible to the human mind. It will not make sense to the conceptualizing mind. Scientists - for all their - capability cannot make sense of it- ever.

    The burden of proof applies to whomever makes a claim.

    "There is a God" is a claim.

    "There is no God" is a claim.

    Both require proof.

    I, however, don't claim that "There is no God". I just have not seen any sound reasoning or sufficient evidence to prove there is a God. I really haven't seen any evidence, actually.


    I don't make that claim either. I do make the claim that one side is not superior to the other - those that believe there exists a god and those that don't believe a god exists.
    I also make the claim that - the idea of "god" or the name "god" is a barrier to ever finding god. Maybe even a "final" barrier. You have to "lose" this concept and lose this name "god" to even be in the vicinity of understanding what you are talking about. So someone who is claiming there is a "god" - is just as lost as someone making a claim that there is no "god."

    Pretty big claim, means pretty big evidence is required.

    It is though, possible that there is a God, to me. I just don't know for certain.

    What I am certain about, is that the God of the bible, or the q'uran is bunk, hokum, bull , fairy tales, and/or supers ion.

    ??I don't subscribe to that idea of "god" either fwiw. ^

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