Matt ing Bonner is the king of +-, which kind of blows a hole right through your ing argument.
Bonner was -2.7 last year (8th best on team, which doesn't make him king of anything) and not a focal point of the team. There are anomalies sometimes ("I don't think +/- numbers are the end all and be all of basketball stats"), but generally a good player and starter on a team with a bad record should not make his team worse when he's on the court. So, the argument is pretty solid.
Last edited by Mr Bones; 06-30-2013 at 05:25 PM.
Yes, it would.
What's good about sign-and-trades is that it has more-generous salary limitations. Things like roster charges don't factor in like to do with straight up signing players. Also, the Spurs could include a player like Mills or De Colo, which would allow them to take back more salary than it looks like they'd be able to now.
So an offer of Bonner and De Colo and two firsts would actually allow the Spurs to take back Evans making up to $10.5 Million in his first year. The Spurs could do that while re-signing Ginobili, Neal and Splitter to whatever deals they want OR while re-signing Neal and Splitter for whatever they want, inking Ginobili to the room exception, AND bringing in another free agent making up to $8.2 Million. They could do further sign-and-trades with Neal and Splitter to recoup assets or bring in other players if they want to move on.
I wouldn't give Sacto two first rounders. The trade exception created for them by the salary imbalance is in itself an asset that they can use for up to a year.
Agreed. I don't see why the TE and next years first rounder in what looks to be a strong draft wouldn't be enough. There doesn't seem to be much of an immediate market for Evans. That could change though as other FA's start to sign.
It's because they can probably get a full trade exception for him by signing-and-trading him to another team. Remember, if the Kings are going to go after Ellis, they need to clear most of Evans' salary from the books. That means they might not be able to afford taking on $5.4 Million in salary.
The Spurs in this case have little leverage, as they couldn't really afford Evans outright in this scenario without shedding some salary. A first may be enough, but I'd be willing to give up two picks, especially if it meant the team could also bring in another player like Millsap.
Also, if the team gives up two picks, they can probably get away with protecting both more than they could with just one. It would be nice to have top-20 protection instead of just lottery protection. I think there is a legitimate chance of the team falling off and grabbing a lower seed like they did in 2010. I'd hate to lose a high pick in a such a strong draft, and it could be worth the extra first to protect it.
So, stop trying to dump our trash on them, and take him straight up into our cap space. You're getting a little greedy with our acquisitions. If we get Evans, and re-sign everyone else, it's a good summer.
It's not about being greedy. It's very possible (as of now likely) that the Spurs will not HAVE enough cap space to sign Evans outright. They only have cap space if they don't re-sign Ginobili for anything other than the room exception or minimum. If Manu's not sold on that, then the team doesn't have much more than the MLE.
The Spurs amnestying Bonner can free up a little space, but unless Ginobili agrees to the pay cut, it won't be enough. Going the actual trade route would allow the Spurs to acquire Evans while being over the cap. With the way the off-season is going so far, it's likely that's where the team will be.
Evans flew to Los Angeles on Saturday to meet with agent Arn Tellem in preparation for free agency, a source said. Evans' preference is to re-sign to a long-term deal with the Kings. He recently moved into a new huge home in the Sacramento suburb of Rocklin. The 23-year-old has been spending most of his offseason in Sacramento and has been regularly working out at the Kings' practice facility. Yahoo! Sports
The Kings don't need him after they drafted McLemore, only if they want him to play PG.
Who buys a home in a city the year before their contract is up? I guess he thought they'd get an extension done, but it was silly to make that kind of investment when everything is so uncertain. Not that he doesn't have the money to pick up and move again, though.
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
Pelicans will have a face to face with Tyreke Evans tonight after free agency commences at 12:01 AM ET, ESPN has learned
Will be meeting with New Orleans at the start of negotiation tonight.
Of course, ace3g.
Sam Amico @SamAmicoFSO
Heaven help us all. RT @mr_jasonjones: Source close to Tyreke Evans adamant he's not meeting w/Pelicans or any others tonight. This is fun.
Paul Garcia PS @PaulGarciaPS
RT @James_Ham: Source confirming that Tyreke Evans is in fact meeting with the Pelicans tonight.
Paul Garcia PS @PaulGarciaPS
RT @James_Ham: I was told early on that as many of 17 teams are interested in Tyreke Evans.
David Aldridge @daldridgetnt
As @ESPNSteinLine reported, Pelicans will meet with Tyreke Evans late tonight. Told they will have an offer sheet in hand--a big one.
Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
While NO will make big offer tonight, sources close to SAC Tyreke Evans say he will do his due diligence with long list & Kings still in mix
Woah, 17 teams huh? How many of those actually have the cap space and not relying on a sign-and-trade?
David Aldridge @daldridgetnt
Have been told the Pelicans' sheet to Tyreke Evans is four years, $44 million
that's big money. no chance we're in for him at that rate.
Most of use were expecting around 10 mil. for Evans. At 11 mil. the Kings will probably let him go. Man, the southwest division is gonna be rough next season if Howard goes to the rockets and Evans indeed goes to NO.
SB Nation: The Bird Writes: 2016 NBA Mock Draft: Trade scenarios dominate first round, including Jimmy Butler and Marc Gasol to Celtics
By Kevin.Barrios kevinbforbounce on Jun 7, 2016, 6:00a
Trade: Remember when Monty Williams planned to use Tyreke Evans like Manu Ginobili, Gregg Popovich?
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Tyreke Evans follows Marco Belinelli’s path to a ring with a new-ish look Spurs team. The Pelicans sneak back into the 1st round nabbing both youthful potential and veteran leadership.
San Antonio Spurs:
It’s quite conceivable that Tim Duncan and Ginobili walk away from the NBA this summer. Surely, both will at least opt out of their contracts along with David West ushering in another iteration of the San Antonio Spurs. This team will be built around the skills of LaMarcus Aldridge, Kawhi Leonard, Danny Green and Boban Marjanovic. With Manu gone and Tony Parker on the decline, the Spurs gamble on Evans’ knees and ability to pilot a dominant pick and roll attack.
Outgoing:
Boris Diaw and the 29th overall pick in the 2016 NBA draft.
Incoming:
Tyreke Evans.
New Orleans Pelicans:
I’ll be very sad to see Tyreke go. I feel like he was very under-appreciated and under-utilized during his New Orleans’ tenure. Popovich won’t let either happen. Still, if the Pelicans are able to play T.J. Warren, Quincy Pondexter, James Ennis, Jrue Holiday, Denzel Valentine and Tim Frazier in the various roles Evans tried occupying, the team should be fine without him. Dumping Tyreke’s contract also creates a little more space to extend Jrue Holiday to ensure some much needed consistency heading into the future.
With this move, the Pelicans bolster big man depth that will be lost when Ryan Anderson leaves, and to offset the inefficiencies of Omer Asik and Alexis Ajinca. Boris Diaw is a playmaking, facing big with three point range, and could aid the installation of a championship culture to on an often immature Pelicans team.
Outgoing:
Tyreke Evans.
Incoming:
Boris Diaw and the 29th overall pick in the 2016 NBA draft.
29. The New Orleans Pelicans (from the Spurs): Ante Zizic (C) Croatia
Zizic is much more fluid than Asik or Ajinca and can run the floor well for his size. He thrives on contact, and he brutes his way into rebounds at both ends ala Nikola Pekovic. With the wing positions and the point guard situation sorted, the Pelicans can now work on fixing the five spot while hoping for an amnesty clause. Marvel at a 6’-11" European center finishing around the rim in this highlight reel:
I wouldn't mind that Boris + 29 for Evans trade as a plan F or G. Evans is in a contract year (hopefully keeping him on his best behavior) and would add some desparately needed talent to the backcourt. On the downside, the Spurs can't afford to ship off firsts too often and it costs $7M of cap space over cutting Diaw and stashing the pick, though only about $1.5M more than keeping Diaw and the pick.
Tyreke length, athleticism, and youth would be a welcome addition.
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