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    Glenn Greenwald: 80 page decision from FISA court says NSA is bulk collecting phone calls of Americans (VIDEO)

    On Meet the Press, Glenn Greenwald talked about the FISA court decision that say what the NSA is doing is illegal - the NSA is bulk collecting the transmissions, the conversations of millions of Americans not involved in terrorism. The FISA court says this is a violation of the 4th Amendment and is illegal. This all comes from do ents shown to Greenwald by Snowden.

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    http://nomore tails.com/post/2013...Americans.aspx


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    Way to go Glenn Greenwald. Ouch..

    On the Espionage Act charges against Edward Snowden



    Who is actually bringing 'injury to America': those who are secretly building a massive surveillance system or those who inform citizens that it's being done?



    The US government has charged Edward Snowden with three felonies, including two under the Espionage Act, the 1917 statute enacted to criminalize dissent against World War I. My priority at the moment is working on our next set of stories, so I just want to briefly note a few points about this.

    Prior to Barack Obama's inauguration, there were a grand total of three prosecutions of leakers under the Espionage Act (including the prosecution of Dan Ellsberg by the Nixon DOJ). That's because the statute is so broad that even the US government has largely refrained from using it. But during the Obama presidency, there are now seven such prosecutions: more than double the number under all prior US presidents combined. How can anyone justify that?

    For a politician who tried to convince Americans to elect him based on repeated pledges of unprecedented transparency and specific vows to protect "noble" and "patriotic" whistleblowers, is this unparalleled assault on those who enable investigative journalism remotely defensible? Recall that the New Yorker's Jane Mayer said recently that this oppressive climate created by the Obama presidency has brought investigative journalism to a "standstill", while James Goodale, the General Counsel for the New York Times during its battles with the Nixon administration, wrote last month in that paper that "President Obama will surely pass President Richard Nixon as the worst president ever on issues of national security and press freedom." Read what Mayer and Goodale wrote and ask yourself: is the Obama administration's threat to the news-gathering process not a serious crisis at this point?

    Few people - likely including Snowden himself - would contest that his actions cons ute some sort of breach of the law. He made his choice based on basic theories of civil disobedience: that those who control the law have become corrupt, that the law in this case (by concealing the actions of government officials in building this massive spying apparatus in secret) is a tool of injustice, and that he felt compelled to act in violation of it in order to expose these official bad acts and enable debate and reform.

    But that's a far cry from charging Snowden, who just turned 30 yesterday, with multiple felonies under the Espionage Act that will send him to prison for decades if not life upon conviction. In what conceivable sense are Snowden's actions "espionage"? He could have - but chose not - sold the information he had to a foreign intelligence service for vast sums of money, or covertly passed it to one of America's enemies, or worked at the direction of a foreign government. That is espionage. He did none of those things.

    What he did instead was give up his life of career stability and economic prosperity, living with his long-time girlfriend in Hawaii, in order to inform his fellow citizens (both in America and around the world) of what the US government and its allies are doing to them and their privacy. He did that by very carefully selecting which do ents he thought should be disclosed and concealed, then gave them to a newspaper with a team of editors and journalists and repeatedly insisted that journalistic judgments be exercised about which of those do ents should be published in the public interest and which should be withheld.

    That's what every single whistleblower and source for investigative journalism, in every case, does - by definition. In what conceivable sense does that merit felony charges under the Espionage Act?

    The essence of that extremely broad, century-old law is that one is guilty if one discloses classified information "with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation". Please read this rather good summary in this morning's New York Times of the worldwide debate Snowden has enabled - how these disclosures have "set off a national debate over the proper limits of government surveillance" and "opened an unprecedented window on the details of surveillance by the NSA, including its compilation of logs of virtually all telephone calls in the United States and its collection of e-mails of foreigners from the major American Internet companies, including Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, Apple and Skype" - and ask yourself: has Snowden actually does anything to bring "injury to the United States", or has he performed an immense public service?

    The irony is obvious: the same people who are building a ubiquitous surveillance system to spy on everyone in the world, including their own citizens, are now accusing the person who exposed it of "espionage". It seems clear that the people who are actually bringing "injury to the United States" are those who are waging war on basic tenets of transparency and secretly constructing a mass and often illegal and uncons utional surveillance apparatus aimed at American citizens - and those who are lying to the American people and its Congress about what they're doing - rather than those who are devoted to informing the American people that this is being done.

    The Obama administration leaks classified information continuously. They do it to glorify the President, or manipulate public opinion, or even to help produce a pre-election propaganda film about the Osama bin Laden raid. The Obama administration does not hate unauthorized leaks of classified information. They are more responsible for such leaks than anyone.

    What they hate are leaks that embarrass them or expose their wrongdoing. Those are the only kinds of leaks that are prosecuted. It's a completely one-sided and manipulative abuse of secrecy laws. It's all designed to ensure that the only information we as citizens can learn is what they want us to learn because it makes them look good. The only leaks they're interested in severely punishing are those that undermine them politically. The "enemy" they're seeking to keep ignorant with selective and excessive leak prosecutions are not The Terrorists or The Chinese Communists. It's the American people.

    The Terrorists already knew, and have long known, that the US government is doing everything possible to surveil their telephonic and internet communications. The Chinese have long known, and have repeatedly said, that the US is hacking into both their governmental and civilian systems (just as the Chinese are doing to the US). The Russians have long known that the US and UK try to intercept the conversations of their leaders just as the Russians do to the US and the UK.

    They haven't learned anything from these disclosures that they didn't already well know. The people who have learned things they didn't already know are American citizens who have no connection to terrorism or foreign intelligence, as well as hundreds of millions of citizens around the world about whom the same is true. What they have learned is that the vast bulk of this surveillance apparatus is directed not at the Chinese or Russian governments or the Terrorists, but at them.

    And that is precisely why the US government is so furious and will bring its full weight to bear against these disclosures. What has been "harmed" is not the national security of the US but the ability of its political leaders to work against their own citizens and citizens around the world in the dark, with zero transparency or real accountability. If anything is a crime, it's that secret, unaccountable and deceitful behavior: not the shining of light on it.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ionage-charges

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    Hope/Change/Transparency/Anti-Bush

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    I know what I wish the next cons utional amendment would be...

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    Snowden’s real crime: Humiliating the state
    Here's the reason the NSA leaker will never be forgiven or forgotten: He stood up to power and embarrassed it

    The law’s interest in a monopoly of violence vis-a-vis individuals is not explained by the intention of preserving legal ends but, rather, by that of preserving the law itself; that violence, when not in the hands of the law, threatens it not by the ends that it may pursue but by its mere existence outside the law.

    However, as we also know, the state monopolizes and regulates the use of violence in the interests of those who have the most influence over the state: these wealthy men who decide the personification of the state. In the 1600s English North America, this would have been white Englishmen. In the 1910s, Benjamin was interested in the role of workers in challenging the monopoly of state violence.

    Understood in this way, the right to strike cons utes in the view of labor, which is opposed to that of the state, the right to use force in attaining certain ends. The an hesis between the two conceptions emerges in all its bitterness in face of a revolutionary general strike. In this, labor will always appeal to its right to strike, and the state will call this appeal an abuse, since the right to strike was not “so intended,” and take emergency measures.
    Here is another excerpt from “The Critique of Violence”:

    The same may be more drastically suggested if one reflects how often the figure of the “great” criminal, however repellent his ends may have been, has aroused the secret admiration of the public. This cannot result from his deed, but only from the violence to which it bears witness.

    What makes Snowden so interesting is that it appears that he is an old-fashioned “believer” in the American project — someone who wanted to fight the good fight, to uphold American principles and ideals, as the U.S. government has long professed is also its mission. He contracted to work for defense contractors who in turn worked with the NSA, and for that reason did not begin his (short-lived) post-military career with misgivings about the American imperial project. As he got to see how its affairs were being misconducted, he continued to believe in “doing the right thing.” What also makes Snowden remarkable is his awareness that

    the “US Persons” protection in general is a distraction from the power and danger of this system. Su ionless surveillance does not become okay simply because it’s only victimizing 95% of the world instead of 100%. Our founders did not write that “We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all US Persons are created equal.

    Whether or not one agrees with his actions, whether or not his politics and ideology mesh with the ideas of the right or the left, it will always be a remarkable sight to a see a lone person stand up to the Leviathan, composed as it is of its myriad eyes — all watching, waiting, to clamp down on any threat, no matter how trivial — to its relentless monopolistic pursuit of violence, and power.
    http://www.salon.com/2013/06/19/snow...ing_the_state/

    iow, America is ed and un able. The 1% has totally captured and perverted the govt to its own self-preserving, self-enriching ends. You you tea bagger, govt-hating right-wingers still don't get it.

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    Good for Snowden and Greenwald. Civil liberties will be Obama's biggest black eye in my opinion, and by far.

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    Good for Snowden and Greenwald. Civil liberties will be Obama's biggest black eye in my opinion, and by far.
    I repeat, the party or person of the President is irrelevant. The MIC/NatSec/PoliceState runs in its own universe, untouchable by civilians hands.

    eg, a 2016 President greasebags Jeb or Christie wouldn't roll back ANY of the the MIC/NatSec/PoliceState, (nor would Hilary) and you right wing mother ers would be defending it all the way.

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    Good for Snowden and Greenwald. Civil liberties will be Obama's biggest black eye in my opinion, and by far.
    black eye is being kind, tbh... it's ing disgusting...

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    Good for Snowden and Greenwald. Civil liberties will be Obama's biggest black eye in my opinion, and by far.
    No doubt. Bush didn't dare take it so far.

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    The Guardian Blocked By The Army After NSA Stories

    The Guardian's recent stories about NSA surveillance have been blocked across the entire US Army , the Monterey Herald reported on Thursday night.

    The paper has made huge waves, of course, with its series of explosive stories about the NSA's highly classified surveillance programs. Though it has always maintained an American presence, its visibility has skyrocketed in the wake of the scoops.

    The Herald talked to an Army spokesman, who confirmed that the Guardian's website had been blocked since the stories first emerged.


    The Army, the spokesman said, was weeding out "some access to press coverage and online content about the NSA leaks" so that employees would not be able to see any classified information.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...tent=NewsEntry



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    How Barrett Brown shone light on the murky world of security contractors


    Any attempt to rein in the vast US surveillance apparatus exposed byEdward Snowden's whistleblowing will be for naught unless government and corporations alike are subject to greater oversight. The case of journalist and activist Barrett Brown is a case in point.

    Brown made a splash in February 2011 by helping to uncover "Team Themis", a project by intelligence contractors retained by Bank of America to demolish the hacker society known as Anonymous and silence sympathetic journalists like Glenn Greenwald (now with the Guardian, though then with Salon). The campaign reportedly involved a menagerie of contractors: Booz Allen Hamilton, a billion-dollar intelligence industry player and Snowden's former employer; Palantir, a PayPal-inspired and -funded outfit that sells "data-mining and analysis software that maps out human social networks for counterintelligence purposes"; and HBGary Federal, an aspirant consultancy in the intelligence sector.

    The Team Themis story began in late 2010, when Julian Assange warned WikiLeaks would release do ents outlining an "ecosystem of corruption [that] could take down a bank or two." Anticipating that it might be in Assange's sights, Bank of America went into damage-control modeand, as the New York Times reported, assembled "a team of 15 to 20 top Bank of America officials … scouring thousands of do ents in the event that they become public." To oversee the review, Bank of American brought in Booz Allen Hamilton.


    Days later, Bank of America retained the well-connected law firm of Hunton & Williams, which was reportedly recommended by the Department of Justice. Hunton & Williams promptly emailed HBGary Federal, Palantir and Berico; they, in turn, "proposed various schemes to attack" WikiLeaks and Greenwald. In fact, Hunton & Williams had first contacted the three tech firms in October 2010, at the behest of the Chamber of Commerce to find out if it was being attacked by labor union-backed campaigners.

    etc ...
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ional-security

    The amalgam of corporate plus govt power is unassailable, enable by the heavily travelled revolving door between the two power centers. I figure they are going to take Greenwald down. sooner or later.

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    NSA releases lies and propaganda

    NSA slides explain the PRISM data-collection program



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    George W. Bush Defends PRISM: 'I Put That Program In Place To Protect The Country'

    Former President George W. Bush defended PRISM, the Internet spying program that began under his administration but remained secret until The Washington Post and The Guardian revealed its existence last month.

    "I put that program in place to protect the country. One of the certainties was that civil liberties were guaranteed," Bush told CNN in an interview airing Monday. "I think there needs to be a balance, and as the president explained, there is a proper balance."

    PRISM began under Bush in 2007 and has continued under the Obama administration. The program allows the National Security Administration to collect internet and email data from the nation's biggest technology companies.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...tent=NewsEntry


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    George W. Bush Defends PRISM: 'I Put That Program In Place To Protect The Country'

    Former President George W. Bush defended PRISM, the Internet spying program that began under his administration but remained secret until The Washington Post and The Guardian revealed its existence last month.

    "I put that program in place to protect the country. One of the certainties was that civil liberties were guaranteed," Bush told CNN in an interview airing Monday. "I think there needs to be a balance, and as the president explained, there is a proper balance."

    PRISM began under Bush in 2007 and has continued under the Obama administration. The program allows the National Security Administration to collect internet and email data from the nation's biggest technology companies.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...tent=NewsEntry


    Too bad the "change" candidate brought us Bush's 4th term

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    I repeat, the party or person of the President is irrelevant. The MIC/NatSec/PoliceState runs in its own universe, untouchable by civilians hands.

    eg, a 2016 President greasebags Jeb or Christie wouldn't roll back ANY of the the MIC/NatSec/PoliceState, (nor would Hilary) and you right wing mother ers would be defending it all the way.
    So when Bush + Cheney are in power, they are the culprits. But when Obama and Biden are in power they are irrelevant.

    got it

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    So when Bush + Cheney are in power, they are the culprits. But when Obama and Biden are in power they are irrelevant.

    got it
    you said that, I didn't. gfy

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    you said that, I didn't. gfy
    Dubya.... head.... Rummy.... whaa whaaa whaa
    you made a carreer of crying about these "irrelevant" guys

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    Glenn Greenwald: Obama Targeting Edward Snowden ‘To Intimidate Future Whistle Blowers’


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    The Most Secretive Court in America May Also Be the Most Conservative

    The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court is a unique judicial body, not only in terms of its procedures but in terms of the political leanings of its judges, who comprise a panel so uniformly Republican that the five-justice right-wing majority on the current Supreme Court appears positively liberal in comparison.


    Unlike other judicial appointments, which must be publicly confirmed by the Senate, the chief justice of the Supreme Court appoints the 11 U.S. District Court judges who sit on the surveillance court for staggered seven-year terms, along with three other federal circuit court judges who staff the FISA Court of Review, which hears appeals that the government may file on the few surveillance applications that are denied. Appeals from the Court of Review can be made only to the Supreme Court. There have been none to date.

    The surveillance court’s secrecy begins with the surveillance applications that it hears on an “ex parte” basis. At a hearing for this court, the targets of surveillance are not given an opportunity to appear, nor is the government required to present evidence of the kind of specific probable cause needed to obtain a search warrant in an ordinary criminal case. Rather, under FISA, to obtain an order permitting it to read the content of a communication, the government needs to present evidence only that the surveillance target is a foreign power or an agent of one.


    Orders like the one directed at Verizon Business Services under Section 215, authorizing the government to seize but not read entire telephone metadata bases, require an even lesser showing of individualized su ion. The Verizon order was approved by Roger Vinson, a senior federal district court judge who normally sits in the panhandle region of Florida. A Reagan appointee and former Navy lieutenant, Vinson gained notoriety in 2011 as the “tea party’s judge” for lifting language from a legal brief filed by the archconservative Family Research Council, and declaring the entire Affordable Care Act uncons utional.


    Although Vinson’s term on the surveillance court expired in May, the panel’s current roster of 11 includes 10 judges who were appointed to their federal district court positions by Republican presidents. The Court of Review, which rarely convenes as so few surveillance applications are denied, has one Republican and one Democratic appointee, along with one vacancy.


    Some of the more notable Republican stalwarts on the current surveillance panel and the Court of Review include:


    http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/...+the+Headlines


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    The bad joke called 'the FISA court' shows how a 'drone court' would work

    Newly released data show that the government submitted 1,789 eavesdropping requests last year, and none was rejected

    In the mid-1970s, an investigation by the US Senate, conducted by the Church Committee, uncovered decades of serious, systemic abuse by the US government of its eavesdropping powers: listening in on the telephone calls of civil rights leaders, reading the mail of political opponents, spying on anti-war groups. The supposed lesson learned from this was that political leaders will inevitably abuse their surveillance powers if they are permitted to exercise them in the dark and without meaningful oversight.

    The "solution" was the enactment of a law - the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (Fisa) - that made it a criminal offense for government officials to eavesdrop on the electronic communications of Americans without first obtaining a warrant from the newly created Fisa court.

    From the start, the Fisa court was a radical perversion of the judicial process. It convened in total secrecy and its rulings were classified. The standard the government had to meet was not the traditional "probable cause" burden imposed by the Fourth Amendment but a significantly diluted standard. There was nothing adversarial about the proceeding: only the Justice Department (DOJ) was permitted to be present, but not any lawyers for the targets of the eavesdropping request, who were not notified. Reflecting its utter lack of real independence, the court itself was housed in the DOJ.

    And, and was totally predictable, the court barely ever rejected a government request for eavesdropping. From its inception, it was the ultimate rubber-stamp court, having rejected a total of zero government applications - zero - in its first 24 years of existence, while approving many thousands. In its total 34 year history - from 1978 through 2012 - the Fisa court has rejected a grand total of 11 government applications, while approving more than 20,000.

    Despite how obedient and compliant this court always was, the Bush administration decided in late 2001 that it would have its National Security Agency (NSA) intercept the calls and emails of Americans without bothering to obtain the Fisa court approval required by the criminal law, claiming - with a straight face - that complying with the law was "too bersome" in the age of Terrorism. Once this lawbreaking was revealed by the New York Times in late 2005, the response from the DC political class was not to punish the responsible government officials for their lawbreaking, but rather to enact a new law (called the Fisa Amendments Act of 2008) that, in essence, simply legalized the warrantless eavesdropping scheme of the Bush administration.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...r-stamp-drones

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