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    Ellis is going to be too expensive. You can get Jarrett Jack for $7m/year. And he can play defense.
    Isn't half the league trying to sign Jarrett Jack? The interesting thing about Ellis is that his rep as a chucker might be bad enough across the league now that there's less compe ion and a deal to be had.

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    we aint getting anybody. They'll sign Manu and Neal and that'll be it. This is what happens when you get your hopes high on the Spurs free agency period.
    Not sure if serious or moron.

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    No .

    The Spurs are delusional if they think they can just bring back the same team.
    I'm sick of this . The Spurs brought back basically the same team that won 20 straight games before losing 4 straight against the Thunder, and got within a few seconds of a le. Using the 2012-2013 season as an indictment of standing pat is frankly ludicrous.

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    Imagining the possible lineups on a team with Parker, Duncan, Leonard, AK, Diaw, Manu, Green, and Splitter is basically basketball porn.

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    Why not a sign and trade for AK with Dejuan Blair going to Minny?
    Well if Minn is one of those 10 teams interested in Blair, could be a possibility.

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    Isn't half the league trying to sign Jarrett Jack? The interesting thing about Ellis is that his rep as a chucker might be bad enough across the league now that there's less compe ion and a deal to be had.
    Half the league is after Ellis and he already turned down 3/36 from MIL. Jack has talked to 3 other teams besides GSW and they are rumored to offer 3/21.

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    Looks like AK47 is moving on.

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    People get too caught up in the exact amount of cap space and exceptions and instead lose focus on rotation spots. If their intention is in fact to re-sign Neal, then you can forget about not only Kirilenko, but even someone such as Delfino. Instead, expect a project to be brought in for depth at SF, such as Ingles.

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    I'm sick of this . The Spurs brought back basically the same team that won 20 straight games before losing 4 straight against the Thunder, and got within a few seconds of a le. Using the 2012-2013 season as an indictment of standing pat is frankly ludicrous.
    They could have atleast let Neal go and BONNER, thats all I asked Otherwise I agree.

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    I wouldn't want to spend this much money on an aging player who can't create. I'd rather get a cheap but efficient backup for Kawhi, and then sign a capable scorer for the MLE who can help Manu with the bench unit.

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    Well if Minn is one of those 10 teams interested in Blair, could be a possibility.
    Salaries are way too far apart in money to make this feasible.

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    If Kahn were still around, we could have dipped DeJuan in vanilla and shipped him off with Patty/Nando for Kevin Love tbh.

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    I posted this in the Think Tank, but I'll include a link here: http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post6725706

    Budinger's signing takes the Wolves right to the cap, I believe. This is without Kirilenko. Since Kirilenko was only with the Wolves for one year, they can't offer him anything close to what the Spurs can ($7-8M?).

    Are there any other suitors for Kirilenko?

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    It's very possible that AK47 could accept the MLE if offered. If he wanted money he would have stayed in Minn.

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    People get too caught up in the exact amount of cap space and exceptions and instead lose focus on rotation spots. If their intention is in fact to re-sign Neal, then you can forget about not only Kirilenko, but even someone such as Delfino. Instead, expect a project to be brought in for depth at SF, such as Ingles.
    But AK47 works in rotation with Neal being returned. Neal can only play in a guard spot and can (barely) defend one spot. AK47 fits in the rotation as both a small-ball 4 and a back-up 3. Neal clogs up the guard spots (bad news for CoJo/NDC/Mills) but wouldn't affect Kirilenko's worth to us much.

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    IMHO, Neal should come very cheap. He has shot well in years past, but this year seemed to struggle more than usual (may have been the injuries). Anyway, I can't see anyone paying him big dollars, so hopefully if we do resign him, he will come cheap. That said, I thought we had adequate shooting. My beef with Neal is that is all he can do. He's weak on the handle and defense, which means if he's not making shots, he's worthless.

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    But AK47 works in rotation with Neal being returned. Neal can only play in a guard spot and can (barely) defend one spot. AK47 fits in the rotation as both a small-ball 4 and a back-up 3. Neal clogs up the guard spots (bad news for CoJo/NDC/Mills) but wouldn't affect Kirilenko's worth to us much.
    No, he wouldn't. If Neal is re-signed, then they'll have committed to the same rotation from last season, which means Ginobili/Green will be the backup SF. They clearly gave up on the Neal as a PG experiment last season.

    JdSpur20, zero chance Kirilenko accepts the MLE. He turned down $10M, so that he could get a long term contract at something at least close to that number.

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    People get too caught up in the exact amount of cap space and exceptions and instead lose focus on rotation spots. If their intention is in fact to re-sign Neal, then you can forget about not only Kirilenko, but even someone such as Delfino. Instead, expect a project to be brought in for depth at SF, such as Ingles.
    I'm not sure I understand how re-signing Neal affects the playing time Kirilenko would get. How does whoever is getting the spot minutes at 1/2 affect who you can play rotation minutes at 3/4?

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    The Spurs don't need anything to "put them over the top." They're already at the top. They led in the 4th quarter (maybe, or late 3rd quarter) of Game 7 of the NBA Finals. That's as good as you can be without actually winning the championship.

    They just need to do the same thing they did this year...but just play a little better for 1-2 minutes. That's our championship formula right there.

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    I could easily see Dallas throwing stupid money at AK when they lose out on Howard and their other targets.

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    No, he wouldn't. If Neal is re-signed, then they'll have committed to the same rotation from last season, which means Ginobili/Green will be the backup SF. They clearly gave up on the Neal as a PG experiment last season.
    If you think about the regular season rotation, Kirilenko would be taking minutes that previously went to Stephen Jackson and perhaps Matt Bonner.

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    ...and Manu.

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    I could easily see Dallas throwing stupid money at AK when they lose out on Howard and their other targets.
    Yeah, that seems more likely than AK signing with the Spurs. Atlanta too, they'll have to get to the salary floor also.

    And I agree with those who think that Neal coming back hinders an AK signing on that end.

    Bringing back the same old dudes . . . no thanks. That's what killed the Spurs in 08, being so desperate to keep the band together that they purposely refused to improve the roster. The logic that "the spurs had game 6 won and went to 7! And won 20 straight the year before" as justification for stagnation while other teams are getting better is a path toward failure.

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    Bringing back the same old dudes . . . no thanks. That's what killed the Spurs in 08, being so desperate to keep the band together that they purposely refused to improve the roster. The logic that "the spurs had game 6 won and went to 7! And won 20 straight the year before" as justification for stagnation while other teams are getting better is a path toward failure.
    Thank you. Also, the Spurs had a fair bit of help getting to the Finals last year. Not to mention, we all were miraculously healthy in the playoffs for the first time in a long time. It is not a given that this will happen again.

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    What I said or Spurs re-signing Neal?
    Sorry, . The Neal part.

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