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    i think it's going to be hard to lure AK here without the promise of a starting spot. He's gonna look at the roster and realize that his only minutes are going to be behind Kawhi and as a smallball 4 (where he'd compete with Boris).

    If somebody offers him comparable money with a starting spot like ATL, POR, or Dallas then i think he signs elsewhere.

    As much as I want him here, i don't think he's at the point in his career where he's happy with a backup role and 20-25 mins a game tbh.

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    i think it's going to be hard to lure AK here without the promise of a starting spot. He's gonna look at the roster and realize that his only minutes are going to be behind Kawhi and as a smallball 4 (where he'd compete with Boris).

    If somebody offers him comparable money with a starting spot like ATL, POR, or Dallas then i think he signs elsewhere.

    As much as I want him here, i don't think he's at the point in his career where he's happy with a backup role and 20-25 mins a game tbh.
    yeah but blair will walk and if we amnesty bonner that frees up an additional 45 seconds per game at LEAST

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    i think it's going to be hard to lure AK here without the promise of a starting spot. He's gonna look at the roster and realize that his only minutes are going to be behind Kawhi and as a smallball 4 (where he'd compete with Boris).

    If somebody offers him comparable money with a starting spot like ATL, POR, or Dallas then i think he signs elsewhere.

    As much as I want him here, i don't think he's at the point in his career where he's happy with a backup role and 20-25 mins a game tbh.

    Couldn't have worded it any better.

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    I'm not saying we're doomed, but they're definitely not a pushover like some posters in here seem to think.
    They are definitely not a pushover, some posters go too far at times.

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    I can definitely see from Kirilenko's perspective why he would want to be a starter, but I don't see from the Spurs perspective why they'd offer that. The Leonard/Duncan/Splitter front line proved to be very effective last year; all 3 of those guys are back, so I don't see any reason why they'd mess with that chemistry. While I think 25 mpg would be a realistic role if they bring in a 3/4 backup, he would have opportunities to get heavier minutes at times throughout the season, especially as Pop continues to limit Duncan's minutes and games played.

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    I can definitely see from Kirilenko's perspective why he would want to be a starter, but I don't see from the Spurs perspective why they'd offer that. The Leonard/Duncan/Splitter front line proved to be very effective last year; all 3 of those guys are back, so I don't see any reason why they'd mess with that chemistry. While I think 25 mpg would be a realistic role if they bring in a 3/4 backup, he would have opportunities to get heavier minutes at times throughout the season, especially as Pop continues to limit Duncan's minutes and games played.
    The Tim/Tiago combo didn't spend much time together against Golden State or Miami, and I don't think they would see much time together in a hypothetical playoff matchup against OKC either. Kirilenko would be in line for huge minutes in such matchups

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    I don't want AK47.
    I expect he will be on the Spurs next year.
    why
    I know you do not want for years
    You want alrdidge!
    spurs could sign ak47 and trade kl, green for him

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    spurs do not promise starting jobs
    stephen jackson wanted the promise pop said NO

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    Hopfully AK will take around
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    He could easily get tons of minutes based on Manu's health issues I could see Manu maybe playing 30 to forty games this year. At this point replace Bonner with AK is a huge upgrade in my book and he can play three positons SG/SF/PF and we know how pop loves playing small ball.

    Second Unit:
    PG- CoJo, Nando, Mills
    SG- Manu, Nando, AK
    SF- AK,
    PF - Diaw, AK
    C- Baynes

    In a perfect world I would let Neal walk and Amenesty or trade Bonner, and try to package Nando in a trade.

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    Duncan
    AK47
    Leonard
    Green
    Parker

    That would be an excellent small ball group against the Heat should we meet them again. Subs iude Diaw and Gino or another gaurd and its a great rotation

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    Hopefully somebody will throw an offer to Neal.
    Someone will. With the good teams snatching up the bigger name guys like Korver and Red , some scrub team in need of a shooter will come along and throw an offer Neal's way.

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    Rascal expects the spurs to get stars for nothing.

    His act grew tired 9 years ago.

    3 years 21 million gets AK47 I think and that IMO with an improving Joseph and others really makes them deadly.

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    Rascal expects the spurs to get stars for nothing.

    His act grew tired 9 years ago.

    3 years 21 million gets AK47 I think and that IMO with an improving Joseph and others really makes them deadly.
    No.

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    A lid that should have won the championship, tbh. Plus, Leonard, Green, Splitter and CJ should all be better.

    The Heat are in a similar boat and might even be worse off since it looks like Wade is about to fall off a cliff and they don't have any up-and-coming players.

    But yes, I still think the Spurs need to add another quality rotation piece.

    Or 2.

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    I can definitely see from Kirilenko's perspective why he would want to be a starter, but I don't see from the Spurs perspective why they'd offer that. The Leonard/Duncan/Splitter front line proved to be very effective last year; all 3 of those guys are back, so I don't see any reason why they'd mess with that chemistry. While I think 25 mpg would be a realistic role if they bring in a 3/4 backup, he would have opportunities to get heavier minutes at times throughout the season, especially as Pop continues to limit Duncan's minutes and games played.
    Because the reality is the big rotation still doesn't really work; they just went with it because it was the best they could do.

    Starting Kirilenko would not only improve the spacing (he's not much of a shooter, but unlike Splitter, he can actually make a shot outside of the paint), but also the play making. He's a high IQ player, that's used to playing in a structured (flex) system. Like Diaw, he'd likely be a seamless fit.

    Bringing Splitter off the bench would insure that they'd always have a rim protector (he's not much of one, but he sure beats Diaw masquerading as a backup center) in at all times and it would make it easier to limit Duncan's minutes throughout the regular season.

    The shooting wouldn't be as good without Bonner, but the defense would challenge for best in the league.

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    He could easily get tons of minutes based on Manu's health issues I could see Manu maybe playing 30 to forty games this year. At this point replace Bonner with AK is a huge upgrade in my book and he can play three positons SG/SF/PF and we know how pop loves playing small ball.

    Second Unit:
    PG- CoJo, Nando, Mills
    SG- Manu, Nando, AK
    SF- AK,
    PF - Diaw, AK
    C- Baynes

    In a perfect world I would let Neal walk and Amenesty or trade Bonner, and try to package Nando in a trade.
    AK absolutely cannot play the 2

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    Because the reality is the big rotation still doesn't really work; they just went with it because it was the best they could do.

    Starting Kirilenko would not only improve the spacing (he's not much of a shooter, but unlike Splitter, he can actually make a shot outside of the paint), but also the play making. He's a high IQ player, that's used to playing in a structured (flex) system. Like Diaw, he'd likely be a seamless fit.

    Bringing Splitter off the bench would insure that they'd always have a rim protector (he's not much of one, but he sure beats Diaw masquerading as a backup center) in at all times and it would make it easier to limit Duncan's minutes throughout the regular season.

    The shooting wouldn't be as good without Bonner, but the defense would challenge for best in the league.
    i doubt they just gave Splitter a 36 million dollar contract with the intention of bringing him off the bench

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    Because the reality is the big rotation still doesn't really work; they just went with it because it was the best they could do.

    Starting Kirilenko would not only improve the spacing (he's not much of a shooter, but unlike Splitter, he can actually make a shot outside of the paint), but also the play making. He's a high IQ player, that's used to playing in a structured (flex) system. Like Diaw, he'd likely be a seamless fit.

    Bringing Splitter off the bench would insure that they'd always have a rim protector (he's not much of one, but he sure beats Diaw masquerading as a backup center) in at all times and it would make it easier to limit Duncan's minutes throughout the regular season.

    The shooting wouldn't be as good without Bonner, but the defense would challenge for best in the league.
    Well, all of this said, I think we sometimes make too much about who starts games. Throughout the course of the game, many combinations will get some time together (including Leonard/Kirilenko/Duncan), and that combination would see increasing time if it was effective. I could definitely see that lineup being a great close-out group against teams who play a little smaller.

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    By my math minus Neal and absent a Bonner amnesty we only have $9 million left, 11 players signed at $49.5 million vs. a cap of $58.5 million.

    That leaves $9 million or $13 million if we did amnesty Bonner without signing Manu.

    Only way we sign AK is by having Manu sign for the cap exception of $2.7 million, or amnesty Bonner then maybe something like AK $8 million Manu $5 million.

    I don't know if we could use the cap exception on Neal still or a post-amnesty Bonner (least likely).

    I think anything under $ 8 million is unlikely for AK given he declined $10 million, but then again whatever the market will bear is the answer there, along with his willingness to join the best crew of NBA internationals in its drive for five ring quest after being inches away.

    For the inevitable poster saying we can use the mid-level exceptiion the answer is no, Spurs just like all teams under the cap have no MLE this year.

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    AK47 wont solve the issue of not having another playmaking ballhandler when Tony is resting or struggling. Besides isnt his skillset kinda redundant given that we have Kawhi who can also play smallball PF? We need an elite 6th man imo. Even last season I wouldve been all for this but with the emergence of Kawhi and Green I don't think this team is as desperate for length like they were in past seasons.
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    AK47 wont solve the issue of not having another playmaking ballhandler when Tony is resting or struggling. Besides isnt his skillset kinda redundant given that we have Kawhi who can also play smallball PF? We need an elite 6th man imo.
    I think the idea was this is a "power" small ball lineup where we can use the length of AK and Kawhi to smother James and Wade while not letting James beat us up so much on the glass.

    If we could get someone like Jack and AK I'd be all for it, but looks to me like the $ just aren't quite there for that after $8 million going to Splitter.

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    No one asked you. Move along kiddo.

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    i doubt they just gave Splitter a 36 million dollar contract with the intention of bringing him off the bench
    Why not? Gibson and Anderson are examples of players who signed similar contracts to be third bigs.

    Besides, this would only be for two years, until Duncan retires and in the meantime, we all know they'd like to limit Duncan's minutes in the regular season as much as they can. Plus, they'd still play together some, so he'd still get 20-25 mpg. Based on what we know about Splitter, I don't think he'd care.

    lurker23, agreed that it's not necessarily about starting (though he might not be okay with coming off the bench), but about what's best for the team. It's just that, in this case, him starting would be what's best for the team.

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    AK47 wont solve the issue of not having another playmaking ballhandler when Tony is resting or struggling. Besides isnt his skillset kinda redundant given that we have Kawhi who can also play smallball PF? We need an elite 6th man imo. Even last season I wouldve been all for this but with the emergence of Kawhi and Green I don't think this team is as desperate for length like they were in past seasons.
    What about Billips for minimum IF healthy?

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