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    Rascal expects the spurs to get stars for nothing.

    His act grew tired 9 years ago.

    3 years 21 million gets AK47 I think and that IMO with an improving Joseph and others really makes them deadly.
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    AK47 wont solve the issue of not having another playmaking ballhandler when Tony is resting or struggling. Besides isnt his skillset kinda redundant given that we have Kawhi who can also play smallball PF? We need an elite 6th man imo. Even last season I wouldve been all for this but with the emergence of Kawhi and Green I don't think this team is as desperate for length like they were in past seasons.
    Awesome, who?

    Ak47 allows you to keep Leonard at SF and Kirilenko can guard a team's second best scorer.

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    AK47 wont solve the issue of not having another playmaking ballhandler when Tony is resting or struggling. Besides isnt his skillset kinda redundant given that we have Kawhi who can also play smallball PF? We need an elite 6th man imo. Even last season I wouldve been all for this but with the emergence of Kawhi and Green I don't think this team is as desperate for length like they were in past seasons.
    its a great addition nonetheless. also should count on the development of CoJo, who is going to be with the team for a full year, and not bouncing around the d-league until 1 month before the playoffs. also the off chance of nando showing something. heck, we could throw the vets minimum at washed up billups if it makes ya'll feel better. better than throwing 7 million at jarret freaking jack

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    For the inevitable poster saying we can use the mid-level exceptiion the answer is no, Spurs just like all teams under the cap have no MLE this year.
    If the Spurs don't use any cap space (e.g.- eat up all their cap space using their Bird Rights on Splitter, Manu, and Gary Neal), then they would be able to use the MLE.

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    Its not a bad signing if we get him I just think we have a bigger need. I dont feel like we lost this season because we lacked size or length, we lost bc Manu wasnt the elite 6th man we needed him to be. He should be brought back but not for that role imo, someone else needs to be our shower sub. Billups isn't much more than a game manager who can hit some 3s at this point, he cant be relied upon to be a playmaker.

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    Its not a bad signing if we get him I just think we have a bigger need. I dont feel like we lost this season because we lacked size or length, we lost bc Manu wasnt the elite 6th man we needed him to be. He should be brought back but not for that role imo, someone else needs to be our shower sub.
    i think our lack of rim protection and interior D with Duncan out was pretty noticeable too. splitter had his moments, but eh

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    ak47 can be the 6 man that manu was
    manu can be a role player
    ak47 will save tp energy

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    AK47 wont solve the issue of not having another playmaking ballhandler when Tony is resting or struggling. Besides isnt his skillset kinda redundant given that we have Kawhi who can also play smallball PF? We need an elite 6th man imo. Even last season I wouldve been all for this but with the emergence of Kawhi and Green I don't think this team is as desperate for length like they were in past seasons.
    ^^^^^^^^^ This.

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    If the Spurs don't use any cap space (e.g.- eat up all their cap space using their Bird Rights on Splitter, Manu, and Gary Neal), then they would be able to use the MLE.
    Well that would be (good) news to me, as over where Bruno frequents as our resident expert I see only talk of the $2.6 million or so mini cap exception. In other words, I hope you are correct, but am leery as that did not seem to be the outlook discussed over in the Think Tank.

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    By my math minus Neal and absent a Bonner amnesty we only have $9 million left, 11 players signed at $49.5 million vs. a cap of $58.5 million.

    That leaves $9 million or $13 million if we did amnesty Bonner without signing Manu.

    Only way we sign AK is by having Manu sign for the cap exception of $2.7 million, or amnesty Bonner then maybe something like AK $8 million Manu $5 million.

    I don't know if we could use the cap exception on Neal still or a post-amnesty Bonner (least likely).

    I think anything under $ 8 million is unlikely for AK given he declined $10 million, but then again whatever the market will bear is the answer there, along with his willingness to join the best crew of NBA internationals in its drive for five ring quest after being inches away.

    For the inevitable poster saying we can use the mid-level exceptiion the answer is no, Spurs just like all teams under the cap have no MLE this year.

    I believe there is a mid-level, just a much smaller one given we're under the cap. From ESPN after the lockout: "Teams with cap room (therefore losing their midlevel exception) get a new midlevel that is for two years and starts at $2.5 million (growing 3 percent annually)."

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    No one asked you. Move along kiddo.

    3 years 21M does not get AK47. Stop the pipe dreams before you get disappointed little one.

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    AK47 wont solve the issue of not having another playmaking ballhandler when Tony is resting or struggling. Besides isnt his skillset kinda redundant given that we have Kawhi who can also play smallball PF? We need an elite 6th man imo. Even last season I wouldve been all for this but with the emergence of Kawhi and Green I don't think this team is as desperate for length like they were in past seasons.

    If more people would understand this, they wouldn't be welcoming so much disappointment when AK47 signs elsewhere.

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    Its not a bad signing if we get him I just think we have a bigger need. I dont feel like we lost this season because we lacked size or length, we lost bc Manu wasnt the elite 6th man we needed him to be. He should be brought back but not for that role imo, someone else needs to be our shower sub. Billups isn't much more than a game manager who can hit some 3s at this point, he cant be relied upon to be a playmaker.
    You saw hints of it in the postseason, but the issue is going to have to be forced: Kawhi will be our new playmaker next year. He took James off the dribble a couple of times. I'm thinking they'll be having him run / initiate the offense much of the preseason and during the regular season to get him, and the rest of the team, comfortable with it.

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    I believe there is a mid-level, just a much smaller one given we're under the cap. From ESPN after the lockout: "Teams with cap room (therefore losing their midlevel exception) get a new midlevel that is for two years and starts at $2.5 million (growing 3 percent annually)."
    Right, the real MLE is $5 million and we get one a little over half that. Could be a great asset if for example it brings back Manu, but the difference in free agent you can get for the two different amount could be quite large. We could probably get a quality free agent for the full MLE who wanted a ring, much less likely with the min-MLE.

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    Its not a bad signing if we get him I just think we have a bigger need. I dont feel like we lost this season because we lacked size or length, we lost bc Manu wasnt the elite 6th man we needed him to be. He should be brought back but not for that role imo, someone else needs to be our shower sub. Billups isn't much more than a game manager who can hit some 3s at this point, he cant be relied upon to be a playmaker.
    You saw hints of it in the postseason, but the issue is going to have to be forced: Kawhi will be our new playmaker next year. He took James off the dribble a couple of times. I'm thinking they'll be having him run / initiate the offense much of the preseason and during the regular season to get him, and the rest of the team, comfortable with it.

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    AK47 wont solve the issue of not having another playmaking ballhandler when Tony is resting or struggling. Besides isnt his skillset kinda redundant given that we have Kawhi who can also play smallball PF? We need an elite 6th man imo. Even last season I wouldve been all for this but with the emergence of Kawhi and Green I don't think this team is as desperate for length like they were in past seasons.
    Honestly in terms of more production out of the back court, it has to be Nando. The team isn't going to sign a difference making guard, so the FO has to be hoping that moving from a spot up shooter in Neal to more of a P&R creator in Nando will do the trick. Neal is deadly if someone else is drawing double teams. Nando's value is creating for teammates. Frankly I'm skeptical that Nando can fill the role, but I don't see a realistic alternative here.

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    You saw hints of it in the postseason, but the issue is going to have to be forced: Kawhi will be our new playmaker next year. He took James off the dribble a couple of times. I'm thinking they'll be having him run / initiate the offense much of the preseason and during the regular season to get him, and the rest of the team, comfortable with it.
    One simple fact if we want to beat the Heat is we need more players that can stay on the floor with them. So far we have not addressed that, though there is more than one way to skin that cat.

    Unfortunately, if we don't skin that cat I don't see us getting over the "Heat Hump." Make no mistake, the Heat will mostly likely be the Eastern Conf. rep. in the Finals once again. No move(s) to match up with the Heat better will be a hugely dissappointing offseason.

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    3 years 21M does not get AK47. Stop the pipe dreams before you get disappointed little one.
    it actually might, tbh. he turned down 1 year 10 mil. after this year, he probably wasn't going to get much more than 2 years 11 mil anyway considering he'd be 33

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    One simple fact if we want to beat the Heat is we need more players that can stay on the floor with them. So far we have not addressed that, though there is more than one way to skin that cat.

    Unfortunately, if we don't skin that cat I don't see us getting over the "Heat Hump." Make no mistake, the Heat will mostly likely be the Eastern Conf. rep. in the Finals once again. No move(s) to match up with the Heat better will be a hugely dissappointing offseason.
    I do think Kirilenko would help tremendously against the Heat. I also wouldn't write them into the NBA Finals again next season. It's extremely rare for a team to make 4 NBA Finals in row. Extremely rare. A rag tag Chicago team gave them ...Chicago will be better, Miami will likely be worse. The Heat aren't any sort of given imo

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    I do think Kirilenko would help tremendously against the Heat. I also wouldn't write them into the NBA Finals again next season. It's extremely rare for a team to make 4 NBA Finals in row. Extremely rare. A rag tag Chicago team gave them ...Chicago will be better, Miami will likely be worse. The Heat aren't any sort of given imo
    Kirilenko would also help against OKC, Clips, Grizzlies

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    it actually might, tbh. he turned down 1 year 10 mil. after this year, he probably wasn't going to get much more than 2 years 11 mil anyway considering he'd be 33
    All things considered AK seems a good fit with our international all star team. 3 years $21 million is not ridiculous at all if he wants to win and especially as mentioned for his age. It should be close enough to make the deal work if both parties are interested.

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    With the Splitter signing going above expectations, maybe Manu resigns for around $7M (let's just assume the worst here). We have about $4M. Might as well use that to re-sign someone.

    Maybe Kirilenko bites for the MLE like Ron Artest did? With regard to finances, it's a lopsided deal, but Spurs can offer a shot at the le (K) and a long-term deal of maybe up to three years.

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    I do think Kirilenko would help tremendously against the Heat. I also wouldn't write them into the NBA Finals again next season. It's extremely rare for a team to make 4 NBA Finals in row. Extremely rare. A rag tag Chicago team gave them ...Chicago will be better, Miami will likely be worse. The Heat aren't any sort of given imo
    The Heat are heavy favorites to win the championship again, not just make the Finals. If Wade gets his knee right they will be there.

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    The Heat are heavy favorites to win the championship again, not just make the Finals. If Wade gets his knee right they will be there.
    He'll be in Germany in the offseason to get that platelet work.

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    With the Splitter signing going above expectations, maybe Manu resigns for around $7M (let's just assume the worst here). We have about $4M. Might as well use that to re-sign someone.

    Maybe Kirilenko bites for the MLE like Ron Artest did? With regard to finances, it's a lopsided deal, but Spurs can offer a shot at the le (K) and a long-term deal of maybe up to three years.
    the MLE was a lot bigger back then

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