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    Agree with the people saying he should make what Ray Allen makes.
    Just to let you know, Ray allen Salary is costing the Heat 3.5 times what he is getting paid b/c it pushed them well over the Luxury Tax. So in essence Allen is actually costing the Heat around 14mil next season.

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    And Manu's whole body of work these past 2 season has been nowhere near great.

    In the regular season, he missed a combined 54 games and only played 23mpg in the other 94.
    In the playoffs, his impact was limited and he failed to carry a bigger load than in the regular season.

    Add to that, that the logical expectation is Ginobili now getting worse with every single year and paying him more than $12M/ 2 years can hardly be justified.

    OVERPAID.
    Ok, so not great. But great players make way more than $7M/year, right? Kevin Martin got a 4 year/$28 million deal -- that's where the market is.

    Would you honestly rather have Kevin Martin than Manu for the same amount of money?

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    It's not the total that disappoints me, it's the structure.

    It could have had a 3rd year with a partial guarantee to get the starting year salary down to give the Spurs a better chance to get a free agent

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    Why would the Spurs need to worry about capspace for Kirilenko? They've chosen Bonner, they weren't amnestying him for any situation. So any money given to Manu above 3 or 4 million doesn't matter.

    Bonner comes first. RC and Pop would choose Bonner over Manu, Bonner over Parker, Bonner over all.

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    Spurs should of let him lose at $7mm. He's quickly becoming a player who gets on my damn nerves.

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    Bonner will probably get an extension next season and retire as a Spur

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    Ray Allen outplayed Manu in the Finals. Ginobili must have no shame if he honestly thinks he's worth 7 million. SA should have let him walk and signed AK instead.
    And the Spurs would have no MLE if they did that. AK could still come for the full MLE. But if the Spurs would have just dropped Manu, they could have only used the remaining Cap to sign players, 7 mil Manu got (MLE counts against any remaining cap space). Signing Manu and pushing themselves over the cap from resigning their own players, the Spurs are still allowed to use the full MLE at this point. And not being a Luxury tax team last year, the Spurs still can sign and trade for a player this offseason as well.

    As someone mentioned, they can take on a players salary 150% more than their departing salary. You ship out Bonner and Neal for say around 6mil, that means the Spurs can take back a 9mil dollar salary in a S&T. As long as the Spurs don't go over 66mil, they will still have the full MLE after such a trade (a team can't go over the Tax using the full MLE, at which point the mini MLE would apply, I believe).

    Spurs still have options at this point. Signing Splitter and Manu first was a necessity b/c of their capholds.

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    It's not the total that disappoints me, it's the structure.

    It could have had a 3rd year with a partial guarantee to get the starting year salary down to give the Spurs a better chance to get a free agent

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    Bruno

    Why would the Spurs need to worry about capspace for Kirilenko? They've chosen Bonner, they weren't amnestying him for any situation. So any money given to Manu above 3 or 4 million doesn't matter.

    Bonner comes first. RC and Pop would choose Bonner over Manu, Bonner over Parker, Bonner over all.
    Can't lose the white fan. Would be financial suicide.

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    Ray Allen outplayed Manu in the Finals. Ginobili must have no shame if he honestly thinks he's worth 7 million. SA should have let him walk and signed AK instead.
    Danny Green shut down Stephen Curry. Therefore, Stephen Curry's market value shouldn't be any higher than Danny's, right?

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    I've said for years that Bonner was being groomed to take a place in the front office like Ferry. Except when Bonner comes in it will be around the time that RC is ready to step down. So Bonner will do what Ferry did in Cleveland . . .

    Take over and destroy the franchise as a GM just as effectively as he did as a player.

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    Danny Green shut down Stephen Curry. Therefore, Stephen Curry's market value shouldn't be any higher than Danny's, right?
    Danny Green did not outplay Curry. Curry was the best offensive player on the Warriors. The only thing the Spurs needed from Green in that series was to play defense.

    Ray Allen fulfilled his role as a reliable, clutch role player for the Heat. Manu was an albatross for the Spurs and cost us a championship. Big difference.

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    Ray Allen outplayed Manu in the Finals.
    LOL you're stupid.

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    business wise keeping Manu is a no brainer at $14M, basketball wise it's probably $2M too much.

    I'll be waiting the definitive figures, as already mentioned salary announced are often over evaluated.

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    We will see what kind of contract Kirilenko would get but with Ginobili at $5M, Spurs would have been able to offer Kirilenko a contract starting at $8M-$8.5M.

    And without using a "could". To me, it's clear that Ginobili getting these extra $2M truly hurt Spurs chances at getting Kirilenko.

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    Timmy was first team all-nba. He should be on a max contract or atleast bordering on the max. Same with Tony.
    Tim wasnt first team all nba anymore when he signed that deal. In fact he wasn't even an Allstar anymore when he signed the contract.

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    Lots of idiots, ignorant posters, and haters in this thread, tbh. Manu got about what his market value was. Sure, I would have liked for him to take less, but it is what it is. He got underpaid early in his career, so he's making up for it now.

    Let's not forget Captain Jackass made $10 million this season as did He Who Shall Not Be Named and they gave nothing of value to their teams, tbh.

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    Just terrible. I mean I can't even tell what team he played for during the Finals, and I'm not one to use hyperbole.

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    I said the same thing earlier and people want to ban me.
    lol im just loling at your face

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    It is good to see the Spurs lock up an international intelligence for two more years. With all the intelligence being stockpiled on this team, I think the Spurs have a great chances at winning the LOB Trophy next year.

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    Well, in that case, they could have turned his turnover factory'd ass lose.
    If his market value was $7M, then let him ing walk. His overall Finals performance was disgusting. I said this even after Game 5, then he really proved me right in Game 6 and Game 7. All I can hope is that they signed him so that they can have someone to use as an asset in a sign and trade once the season starts and teams know they're not going to be in contention.

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    We don't even know if the Spurs had any chances to begin with. For all we know, AK47 already said no.
    This is probably closer to the truth than anything else. We have heard nothing since the original story. I'm willing to be they called his agent, he gave them a price that was too steep and the Spurs said no thanks.

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    If his market value was $7M, then let him ing walk. His overall Finals performance was disgusting. I said this even after Game 5, then he really proved me right in Game 6 and Game 7. All I can hope is that they signed him so that they can have someone to use as an asset in a sign and trade once the season starts and teams know they're not going to be in contention.
    Bitter gringo, tbh.

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    It is good to see the Spurs lock up an international intelligence for two more years. With all the intelligence being stockpiled on this team, I think the Spurs have a great chances at winning the LOB Trophy next year.
    International Intelligence? We're not playing FIBA basketball. Everyday that passes this offseason is making me think the Spurs are less likely to get back to the Finals.

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    International Intelligence? We're not playing FIBA basketball. Everyday that passes this offseason is making me think the Spurs are less likely to get back to the Finals.
    You are wrong.

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    Based on what? We haven't done ANYTHING except get older and worse.

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    Based on what? We haven't done ANYTHING except get older and worse.
    We've been getting "older' and "worse" for years now and we finally made the Finals last year again, tbh.

    Kawhi will be better next year, tbh.

    Splitter should improve.

    Duncan and Manu will age more and could presumably be worse, but we'll see.

    We could still sign Korver or something, too.

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