Spurs Sign Manu Ginobili to 2 year/$14 Million Deal

[spurraider21]

This speaks volumes about the at ude going forward. The team has elected to play the nastalgia card and will be somewhat compe ive, but signing Manu to so much money is a sign of the end. It is a reward as the Spurs start a two year farewell tour.

I think most of us had hoped that they would find a way to transition to the next compe ve team, but it is obvious that within three years we will be a lottery team. The biggest question mark for this year will be, can the Spurs continue to win 50 games? I think they will win about 45 and be a 7th seed. The following year we will be fighting for to break even.

We have no way to improve, while the big three weather away.

somewhat compe ive? we are bringing back the team that was a free throw from a freakin championship. we are as compe ive as ANY team in the NBA with this squad, so i'm damn glad we are making sure we keep our key guys.

[dbestpro]

That won't happen.

It has already begun.

Manu's greed or the front office mentality has stuffed the Spurs into the limbo box of 5-8 seed for the next two years followed by several years of the lottery.

[Chinook]

Give me Manu for $7mm per year over Kevin Martin or Kyle Korver anyday. Plus the deal is only two years.

More importantly, they HAD to pay him $7mm per year in order to get to the brink of the salary cap so they could use the full MLE. No way of getting AK47 or whichever MLE guy they are targeting without doing so. I assume the terms of the contract will be somewhat in flux until pen is put to paper and it could end up being slightly less than $7mm depending on what happens with Neal.

No, they didn't. They still have very old cap holds that kept them over. Plus Bonner's contract plus the MLE kept them over anyway. Stop repeating that. It's not true.

[dallasmaverickslose]

It has already begun.

Manu's greed or the front office mentality has stuffed the Spurs into the limbo box of 5-8 seed for the next two years followed by several years of the lottery.

Oh ok, so you've time-traveled to the future and observed this? Thanks. Be sure to alert RC before it's too late.

[Capt Bringdown]

A big, fat Thank you contract for Manu = A big YOU to the fans

[dbestpro]

somewhat compe ive? we are bringing back the team that was a free throw from a freakin championship. we are as compe ive as ANY team in the NBA with this squad, so i'm damn glad we are making sure we keep our key guys.

That might be reassuring for an up and coming team, but we all know the finals was more like John Wayne going out in the Cowboys or the Shootist. It was the last rodeo of consequence for a long time.

[DPG21920]

Manu took a paycut of half his salary from last year (assuming the deal is 7 mil the first year, 7 the second). Just throwing it out there, tbh.

That doesn't matter. What matters is relative market value. If Dampier was way overpaid to the tune of 15M per year, just because he gets his market value, doesn't mean he's some saint for his salary being lower. It's due to current factors.

[ElNono]

lol meltdowns

Thank you FO and Manu for two more years...

[spurraider21]

It has already begun.

Manu's greed or the front office mentality has stuffed the Spurs into the limbo box of 5-8 seed for the next two years followed by several years of the lottery.

so you are projecting the spurs to be a 5 seed next year? we are bringing back the team that just won the western conference and was within 29 seconds of flukes from a freakin championship. plus we can still land a decent helping piece with the MLE

[dbestpro]

Oh ok, so you've time-traveled to the future and observed this? Thanks. Be sure to alert RC before it's too late.

Its called being a visionary. Soemthing you and the fromt office seem to have little of these days.

[L.I.T]

From 5 seconds away and ripping through the West to 45 games and barely making the playoffs. Gotta love spurfan.

Funnily enough, Spurs FO churning the supporting cast while retaining their core got them back to Finals, a place they wouldn't have even sniffed if they listened to Spurfan each offseason try and tear the team apart.

Spurs FO has set the team up for a two year window, with a rebuild coming right after. I'd rather take a punchers chance after the Finals over the next two years than definitely slam the window shut.

[cjw]

No, they didn't. They still have very old cap holds that kept them over. Plus Bonner's contract plus the MLE kept them over anyway. Stop repeating that. It's not true.

Splitter's contract had to get done before a front-loaded offer sheet forced their hand. On Manu's, you're right that they probably could have waited and let the cap hold stay in place in the meantime. And unlike Splitter, Manu wasn't going to listen to other offers. Either way, all they were going to be add incrementally was the MLE + minimum players regardless of what Manu got paid.

[DPG21920]

Look, the important thing boiled down is the big 3 are all back. In a bubble, I have no issue with Manu's contract. The issue is that the Spurs needed to have him take slightly less than market value for the good of the team and he did not do it. Should that be expected? No. But with how bad he let the team down (and he even knows this) one would think that when he see's TP and Tim take less than market value that he would follow suit (considering those guys relied on him and he came up woefully short and crushed their hopes of another le).

I wouldn't care if Manu made 40M a year if that meant the Spurs could have him plus add a legit piece (or at least have a legit shot at adding the piece). What Manu did was make it virtually impossible to add that piece and he's the only one of the big 3 getting paid market or above market value which in my eyes is wrong in this situation.

But again, it's not realistic to expect everyone to be a saint and Tim and TP are just an extra kind of special player for doing so.

[vander]

lol meltdowns

Thank you FO and Manu for two more years...

you're thankful for a less compe ive basketball team?

[dbestpro]

so you are projecting the spurs to be a 5 seed next year? we are bringing back the team that just won the western conference and was within 29 seconds of flukes from a freakin championship. plus we can still land a decent helping piece with the MLE

If Manu does not earn his contract, then yes we will be a fifth seed. Manu is done. He cost us a championship, and out of blind loyalty, will usher us into the world of mediocrity. I mean you really didn't think it would last forever, did you?

[HemisfairArena]

Yes we were 28 seconds away from the le but all the stars aligned for us to get there. Do some posters really think that will happen again? Kobe will go down...Westbrook will go down...Memphis will trade away a player like Rudy Gay....and we'll avoid a horrible match-up in the 1st round like the Nuggets?

[james evans]

WHAT THE FUK?? is this a joke? that mf aint worth no 7 million at this point in his career.

[Obstructed_View]

So Manu goes from being ludicrously overpaid to ridiculously overpaid. The difference is the FO had a choice this time.

[DAF86]

That doesn't matter. What matters is relative market value. If Dampier was way overpaid to the tune of 15M per year, just because he gets his market value, doesn't mean he's some saint for his salary being lower. It's due to current factors.

If Manu got paid 14 mil over 2 years, then that's his market value, tbh.

[DPG21920]

Splitter's contract had to get done before a front-loaded offer sheet forced their hand. On Manu's, you're right that they probably could have waited and let the cap hold stay in place in the meantime. And unlike Splitter, Manu wasn't going to listen to other offers. Either way, all they were going to be add incrementally was the MLE + minimum players regardless of what Manu got paid.

No. If Manu took less than 7M, they have more than the MLE quite easily if they wanted to.

[ElNono]

Its called being a visionary. Soemthing you and the fromt office seem to have little of these days.

This kind of visionary?

I'd throw Green into the trade, move Jack to starting SG, and pickup a decent backup SF to replace Jack at SF.

[Chinook]

Splitter's contract had to get done before a front-loaded offer sheet forced their hand. On Manu's, you're right that they probably could have waited and let the cap hold stay in place in the meantime. And unlike Splitter, Manu wasn't going to listen to other offers. Either way, all they were going to be add incrementally was the MLE + minimum players regardless of what Manu got paid.

Also not true. The Spurs were a couple of easy moves away from opening about $10 Million in cap space if Ginobili took $5 Million. Now, they can open up $8 Million through the same means, but it's probably less worth it now.

[DPG21920]

If Manu got paid 14 mil over 2 years, then that's his market value, tbh.

Agreed. No one is really arguing too much against that. What people are upset about is that Manu is the only member of the big 3 with a market value contract when the situation likely called for him to take a little less (like TP and TD did).

[dbestpro]

Look, the important thing boiled down is the big 3 are all back. In a bubble, I have no issue with Manu's contract. The issue is that the Spurs needed to have him take slightly less than market value for the good of the team and he did not do it. Should that be expected? No. But with how bad he let the team down (and he even knows this) one would think that when he see's TP and Tim take less than market value that he would follow suit (considering those guys relied on him and he came up woefully short and crushed their hopes of another le).

I wouldn't care if Manu made 40M a year if that meant the Spurs could have him plus add a legit piece (or at least have a legit shot at adding the piece). What Manu did was make it virtually impossible to add that piece and he's the only one of the big 3 getting paid market or above market value which in my eyes is wrong in this situation.

But again, it's not realistic to expect everyone to be a saint and Tim and TP are just an extra kind of special player for doing so.

Amen.

[ElNono]

you're thankful for a less compe ive basketball team?

you do this every offseason vander... heck, every year.