Spurs Sign Manu Ginobili to 2 year/$14 Million Deal

[Johnny RIngo]

The Spurs coming back with the same team thinking the league will still also be the same.

This is why they've never made it to back-to-back Finals or ever repeated...Keeping too much dead weight year after year(overpaying Manu is the newest example). Spurs get bounced out of the 2nd round next year after Parker/Duncan are fatigued from carrying the team the past few seasons. Manu will probably be injured or putting up a paltry 10 ppg on bad efficiency.

[vander]

You've been wanting this team to be blown out for the past 5 seasons...

not blown up, just ship out Manu, maybe TP

what are you ing about again?

Manu's contract, that's what this thread is about right? Spurs repeating their mistake, very frustrating

[DPG21920]

Easier? Maybe. More desirable? That's a different matter entirely. If their plan was to just get him and call it an off-season, then they'd probably have started discussions with him already before hammering out an agreement with Ginobili. That fact that we've heard so little about that suggests that wasn't their plan. They don't need the cap space in order to negotiate on a contract with Kirilenko, so there was no reason to have Ginobili choose a number before finding out what number it would take to get the deal done. It would be like if Duncan had agreed to his contract before Green and Diaw were re-signed.

If the Spurs' plan the whole time was to either go after him with the MLE or try to S&T for him, they didn't need cap space at all, and so they could agree with Ginobili early, like they did. Doing it this way is harder, but it shouldn't be that hard, and it will give the team more financial flexibility in the long run.

Well, I think the plan was to a) Bring back Manu at all cost b) get a guy like AK hopefully if a allows. It doesn't take them out of the running, but very well could be the main reason (we have to see what AK takes however to make a final determination) Spurs miss out.

I've said what I could on the matter and now we just have to wait. It very well could be moot and if that's the case, again, I could care less what Manu makes and I am glad he is back

[benefactor]

not blown up, just ship out Manu, maybe TP

That's blowing up the team, puddle.

[vander]

That's blowing up the team, puddle.

TD is the team

[DPG21920]

Ya, letting a big 3 member go ( , even letting Tiago walk without a guaranteed upgrade) is blowing it up considering the Spurs situation.

[DPG21920]

TD is the team

Vander, If Manu took 6M instead of 7M you'd be gone and that's really why I am so disappointed.

[benefactor]

TD is the team

He's the main piece...but the whole team is needed. But you don't understand this, because you about as good as Isaiah Thomas at assessing team needs.

[Robz4000]

Spurs should just blow it up tbh. Manu is washed up, Tony is a mental midget, Timmy is old, Pop is senile, Kawhi is a role player, etc.

[tesseractive]

I won't speak for Mel, but I think it's more about whether it's right to blame Ginobili. Most likely, the Spurs planned to stay over the cap, which is why he took the deal he did. A lot of people seem to think that Manu prevented the Spurs from being under the cap, and that's probably inaccurate. If the team had a plan to acquire a player with cap space, and they needed Manu to take a little less, he probably would have.

Wait, this position is entirely too reasonable!

[Mel_13]

If the Spurs don't land any FA's (at the MLE level or ones that most would perceive at that level or above) is your thought that the Spurs didn't have interest in them or would it be that the MLE could not get it done?

Now you've really lost me. If the Spurs don't land a MLE level FA, there will be several possible reasons beyond the two that you list and different players will have different reasons.

[Chinook]

Well, I think the plan was to a) Bring back Manu at all cost b) get a guy like AK hopefully if a allows. It doesn't take them out of the running, but very well could be the main reason (we have to see what AK takes however to make a final determination) Spurs miss out.

I've said what I could on the matter and now we just have to wait. It very well could be moot and if that's the case, again, I could care less what Manu makes and I am glad he is back

In that same regard, the plan last season was to a) bring Duncan back at all costs b) bring back Green and Diaw while staying under the tax line. Yet, they still negotiated with Duncan last. It's not like they went to him and said, "Please take $10 Million so we can re-sign the other guys." Duncan was just like, "Do what you need to do," and pretty much just kicked back and signed his contract when the time came.

Ginobili seemed to have a similar approach, heading off to another country during the opening days of free agency. He came back and promptly signed a deal. If they were trying to fit him and AK in the cap space, we'd've seen reports that the team was negotiating with AK's agent already. It wouldn't make sense to have Ginobili take $5 Million so the team could offer AK $8 Million, and then AK only needing $6 Million to sign. Then Ginobili would have given up that money for nothing.

[Tim_duncan21]

It could've been lower by 1M or a few more but welcome back Manu

[manufan10]

The fact of the matter is all of this is mere speculation. None of us even know what the Spurs' plans nor what their intentions were/are. People are seriously getting butt hurt over this without direct knowledge of the situation. For all we know the Kirilenko rumor was just that a rumor. It wouldn't be the first time the Spurs' name was used as leverage, imo tbh.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

Wait, this position is entirely too reasonable!

Indeed.

Still hoping for AK47 but will also be very happy with Matt Barnes. I have a feeling that was the Spurs plan all along.

[Mel_13]

So, Mel, you disagree with this in addition to mine?

Yes.

Disagreed, not disbelieved.

[tesseractive]

I don't know how Manu sleeps at night knowing he chose to play his best ball for Argentina instead of winning a 5th ring for Timmy...all while being the highest paid player on the team

Man, patriotic people who care about their country are just the worst.

Happy 4th of July!

[ElNono]

Again, of course, technically this is true. But people (like how I used my best knowledge of the Spurs/Manu/Situation to say Manu will get 2/14) can make assumptions that tend to come true (not always) based on their knowledge. It's not always a "wait and see" and a you are only right after the fact type of situation.

What you're saying is some people have a better track record speculating than others. That's fine.

It's still speculation though. For all we know, it's just as likely the Spurs were never interested in AK, and this was his agent trying to prop up his client's value.

So the question really is, how do you start spreading blame when you don't even know what transpired?

[Mel_13]

Man, patriotic people who care about their country are just the worst.

Happy 4th of July!

[Big P]

not blown up, just ship out Manu, maybe TP
Manu's contract, that's what this thread is about right? Spurs repeating their mistake, very frustrating

What mistake is that?....there were 2 things that could happen this offseason...either the spurs dump everyone they could dump (bonner,manu, neal, splitter, blair etc) and clear as much cap room as possible and probably get 1 max player and another upper-mid level from THIS years free agents..or they could stick with the plan (big 3 and pop to 2015), develop our younger players (KL, Tiago, Green CJo etc) and have cap space for probably 2 max players plus more in 2015....obviously the FO did not see any FA's this off season that blew their socks off...dhoward was the "prize" this year...we now know what will happen over the next 2 years...the team will continue to be compe ive by using exemptions and expiring contracts (bonner,diaw,decolo) to tweak the team and in 2015 there will pretty much be a complete overhaul with KL leading the team... Spurs fans need to accept this.

[sventhedog]

probably the spurs way of telling duncan to retire? lol.

[ElNono]

not blown up, just ship out Manu, maybe TP
Manu's contract, that's what this thread is about right? Spurs repeating their mistake, very frustrating

This is your first post in Spurstalk (from 2007 nonetheless!!!!)

the SPURS are spoiled and lucky, and us fans deserve to have that luck utilized effectively, not pissed away.

the spurs getting duncan in 97 would be like miami getting greg oden next draft, if the NBA had a normal draft instead of that gay lottery, Duncan would have been a celtic.

so everyone who is so quick to praise RC and pop, what did they really do? who was their best FA signing, or even a good one (outside of Bowen)? Anderson? Rasho?

it is of my opinion that a team who has one of the best power forwards of all time fall into their lap undeservedly should have more then 3 championships to show for it 10 years later. just look back on all the FA failures this team has had over Duncan's tenure. only one player has worked out (bowen) among all of them, anderson, daniels, smith, rasho, van exel, and on and on, and on.

also pop needs to add to that archaic offensive play calling, it's like the martyball of the NBA

ahh, i feel much better now that i got that off my chest

i think the spurs need to blow it up, the only untouchables are parker and duncan, manu is fun, but he's old (in that his career is already on the downhill side), fragile, reckless, good for only 20 minutes a game, and expensive.
Duncan is the cornerstone and parker is the future with yet-unrealized potential. the spurs need to surround these 2 with youth, good shooters, athleticism, and rebounding, cause duncan just can't jump anymore.

we need c. maggette!!!!!!

By 2012 you were ready to chuck TP too:

well, I knew they wouldn't contend for a championship, and I was rabble rabbling that they should trade Manu and TP while they still had value

You suck vander...

[DPG21920]

In that same regard, the plan last season was to a) bring Duncan back at all costs b) bring back Green and Diaw while staying under the tax line. Yet, they still negotiated with Duncan last. It's not like they went to him and said, "Please take $10 Million so we can re-sign the other guys." Duncan was just like, "Do what you need to do," and pretty much just kicked back and signed his contract when the time came.

Ginobili seemed to have a similar approach, heading off to another country during the opening days of free agency. He came back and promptly signed a deal. If they were trying to fit him and AK in the cap space, we'd've seen reports that the team was negotiating with AK's agent already. It wouldn't make sense to have Ginobili take $5 Million so the team could offer AK $8 Million, and then AK only needing $6 Million to sign. Then Ginobili would have given up that money for nothing.

Wasn't it reported that they spoke with Duncan first and he said I will take what's left after the team needs are filled? Manu's contract has seemingly come first. But yes, I agree with the last part. That is what we have to see. There is a reason many of us feel that the money the Spurs have now will not be enough to get AK. We could be wrong obviously as it's speculation at this point

[DPG21920]

What you're saying is some people have a better track record speculating than others. That's fine.

It's still speculation though. For all we know, it's just as likely the Spurs were never interested in AK, and this was his agent trying to prop up his client's value.

So the question really is, how do you start spreading blame when you don't even know what transpired?

Well I guess I just am ok with logic and using what info is available to make a decision. Do you sometimes end up wrong (sure and in my case it can be often that I am wrong)? We are discussing based on what we know what things appear to be. Of course, as I have said, it could end up moot. It could also end up correct.

[ElNono]

the SPURS are spoiled and lucky, and us fans deserve to have that luck utilized effectively, not pissed away.

the spurs getting duncan in 97 would be like miami getting greg oden next draft, if the NBA had a normal draft instead of that gay lottery, Duncan would have been a celtic.

so everyone who is so quick to praise RC and pop, what did they really do? who was their best FA signing, or even a good one (outside of Bowen)? Anderson? Rasho?

it is of my opinion that a team who has one of the best power forwards of all time fall into their lap undeservedly should have more then 3 championships to show for it 10 years later. just look back on all the FA failures this team has had over Duncan's tenure. only one player has worked out (bowen) among all of them, anderson, daniels, smith, rasho, van exel, and on and on, and on.

also pop needs to add to that archaic offensive play calling, it's like the martyball of the NBA

ahh, i feel much better now that i got that off my chest

i think the spurs need to blow it up, the only untouchables are parker and duncan, manu is fun, but he's old (in that his career is already on the downhill side), fragile, reckless, good for only 20 minutes a game, and expensive.
Duncan is the cornerstone and parker is the future with yet-unrealized potential. the spurs need to surround these 2 with youth, good shooters, athleticism, and rebounding, cause duncan just can't jump anymore.

we need c. maggette!!!!!!

I'm just re-reading this post and it's full of hilarity...