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    Yeah, Milsap will easily get 9-10 million from another team.

    AK is a more realistic target but wouldn't be surprised if he got a similar deal somewhere else. I don't think he opts out of 10mil this upcoming season for the MLE and a backup role on the Spurs.

    Longshots tbh.

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    If you had a choice who'd you take Milsap or AK47??
    If they're for identical contracts then Milsap.

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    If you had a choice who'd you take Milsap or AK47??
    AK47 is the better fit, and the contract would likely be lower.

    AK47

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    Pop probably told AK47 the same thing he told Stephen Jackson, and they probably haven't spoken since. That was most likely the end of the interest after Pop told him, and they both probably went separate ways as AK said no. No more communication since then, while we're on here looking foolish. "These are mostly Kawhi's minutes."

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    Pop probably told AK47 the same thing he told Stephen Jackson, and they probably haven't spoken since. That was most likely the end of the interest after Pop told him, and they both probably went separate ways as AK said no. No more communication since then, while we're on here looking foolish. "These are mostly Kawhi's minutes."
    Probably, the thing is if you bring in a very good SF or combo guard, there's not enough playing time for everyone, so imo either there's a trade coming up or we stay pat.

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    Probably, the thing is if you bring in a very good SF or combo guard, there's not enough playing time for everyone, so imo either there's a trade coming up or we stay pat.

    There's certainly a trade in the works.

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    Probably, the thing is if you bring in a very good SF or combo guard, there's not enough playing time for everyone, so imo either there's a trade coming up or we stay pat.
    But AK47 probably plays more PF than SF at this point. And with Bonner and Blair likely out of the loop we're in need of another big.

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    But AK47 probably plays more PF than SF at this point. And with Bonner and Blair likely out of the loop we're in need of another big.
    Bonner's not going anywhere.

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    Bonner's not going anywhere.
    If we're signing either AK47 or Millsap then he has to.

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    If we're signing either AK47 or Millsap then he has to.
    Then we're not signing AK47 or Millsap.

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    Then we're not signing AK47 or Millsap.
    You seem certain that amnesty is not even an option, why?

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    You had to be patient with the Whole Kirilenko thing, because, even if Spurs are really interested in him, it's a complicate situation:

    - Spurs couldn't really makes him an offer before Ginobili agreed to his new contract and even now, since they don't know the exact value of the cap, they can't make him a precise offer.
    - Kirilenko opt out of $10.2M, he might still hope to receive a better offer than Spurs' one from a team that tried without succes to get Howard.
    - Spurs might need to salary dump De Colo to offer Kirilenko a $1M higher salary. Spurs might struggles to find a landing spot for Nando.
    - To offer Kirilenko an extra $0.6M per year, Spurs might try to do an "empty" S&T. In that case, Minny might want to turn it into a 3 teams trade with them getting Martin through a S&T. It will allow them to keep their MLE and LLE. Delusional Presti might be delusional and makes this 3 teams trade complicate to do.

    I have no clue if Spurs are after Kirlenko but if they are, it's way more complicate than just signing a free agent like Splitter, Ginobili or Belinelli.

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    You seem certain that amnesty is not even an option, why?
    I'm not certain. The Spurs keep things close to the vest, so anything is possible. It just seems very unlikely to me. It's been my opinion re: the various cap space scenarios since February.

    Nearly all doubt I had left was removed when the deadline to waive Bonner passed on June 30th (and I know that the two sides could have a deal to extend that deadline). The Spurs could have created 3M in cap space at a cost of 1M. They passed (assuming a deadline extending deal is not in place). I don't see them now spending 4M (minus any possible amnesty bid) to create 4M in cap space.

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    I think the crux here is that Pop usually wants the core guys to be here for the le runs. Big name FAs, while great, usually don't have the corporate knowledge yet.

    Bringing in Belinelli as a de facto Neal replacement probably reflects the fact that Neal's stock went up due to a generally good Finals performance, and investing big money on a one-way player hasn't served the franchise well.

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    Regarding the wholes minutes thing, assuming we got Kirilenko. Look at the roster for the 3/4/5
    C -Duncan, Splitter, Baynes
    PF - Diaw, Blair (Gone), Bonner (Gone - amnesty)
    SF - Kawhi
    Add Kirilenko.
    There are 144 minutes between 3 spots. Duncan will play 30 or so, Splitter will play 30 or so, Kirilenko will play 30 or so, and Kawhi 32-36...

    C (48) - Duncan (30) Splitter (18)
    PF (48) - Splitter (12) Kirilenko (16) Diaw (20)
    SF (48) - Kawhi (34) Kirilenko (14)
    Baynes is 5th big and gets minutes in blow outs, and more if he earns them, resting TD.

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    Splitter Diaw at the 4 and 5 is a bad combination imo because both are weak rebounders... I'd rather have Baynes backup Tim this season.

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    its getting older now.. how can you compete with GSW, Houston, etc

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    I'm not certain. The Spurs keep things close to the vest, so anything is possible. It just seems very unlikely to me. It's been my opinion re: the various cap space scenarios since February.

    Nearly all doubt I had left was removed when the deadline to waive Bonner passed on June 30th (and I know that the two sides could have a deal to extend that deadline). The Spurs could have created 3M in cap space at a cost of 1M. They passed (assuming a deadline extending deal is not in place). I don't see them now spending 4M (minus any possible amnesty bid) to create 4M in cap space.
    Thanks to you, as well as Bruno and Chinook, for making this situation more clear. It's a shame the chance at getting AK is looking doubtful, for said reasons. If I'm following correctly we have about 2 million in cap space or about the same leftover in our MLE to acquire another player. A possible s&t is our only hope to get someone for more $, correct? Well, we aren't done yet, unless Kawhi is going to play for 48 minutes a game....

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    Thanks to you, as well as Bruno and Chinook, for making this situation more clear. It's a shame the chance at getting AK is looking doubtful, for said reasons. If I'm following correctly we have about 2 million in cap space or about the same leftover in our MLE to acquire another player. A possible s&t is our only hope to get someone for more $, correct? Well, we aren't done yet, unless Kawhi is going to play for 48 minutes a game....
    It's really hard to know exactly where they stand (see Bruno's most recent post above), but there's a good chance that the biggest chunk of money that the Spurs have left to offer a FA is roughly half of the MLE.

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    its getting older now.. how can you compete with GSW, Houston, etc
    By the time those teams hit their stride the Spurs will only have Tiago on the books.

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    I know they don't have much room, but anything else from the spurs this off season? I heard Kirilenko, but after latest signing probably not going to happen.

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    I wouldn't rule that out, depending on how the Kirilenko market shakes out. One potential for AK47: A big one-year contract from Cleveland."

    If so, that's one reason not to have signed Belinelli.

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    Any news if the Spurs are still interested in acquiring AK47 in a S/T deal or if he has signed anywhere else?

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    Timberwolves gave him a very nice contract last year. Were they contenders?
    Minn. thought they were contenders when they signed him. Up until Kevin Loce was lost for most of the season. Go back to the preseason last year and read about the Twolves. Lots of experts picked them to make the playoffs.

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    What if he takes a pay cut?

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    Surprised to see Milsap get 19 million for 2 years.. AK might be out of our reach.

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