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    Two years, $4 million for Pendergraph? Not terrible by itself but, damn, offseason basically over.

    I'm assuming Spurs saved enough money in the MLE to sign another player at some point to a long-term contract if they shine in summer league, d-league, etc.

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    SA has been interested in AK for years now. I just cannot understand why a franchise that is so smart and successful keep overpaying scrubs in resigning and keep fools like Bonner. Seriously this is a mind .

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    Not from where I sit.
    Green was picked up during the season. Green was not given a questionable deal that hurts the Spurs chances of getting another player.

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    Please make some bigger move,or this offseason is going to seriously suck!

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    Green was picked up during the season. Green was not given a questionable deal that hurts the Spurs chances of getting another player.
    It's only your opinion that the deal is questionable or that it hurts the Spurs in any way. Not facts.

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    It's only your opinion that the deal is questionable or that it hurts the Spurs in any way. Not facts.
    In fact, the deal is questionable. Most of this board didn't even know who he was, and the Spurs throw him some MLE money when he didn't even seem to have a market. Why?

    Whether it hurts the Spurs in any way, I guess that will remain to be seen. Prove me wrong, Pendergraph.

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    In fact, the deal is questionable. Most of this board didn't even know who he was, and the Spurs throw him some MLE money when he didn't even seem to have a market. Why?

    Whether it hurts the Spurs in any way, I guess that will remain to be seen. Prove me wrong, Pendergraph.
    So, it's questionable in the opinion of many on this board. Still not fact.

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    I knew there was no way it was going to be a min deal. It made no sense to believe that.
    Yeah, it was a stretch to think a young big would sign for the minimum before seeing how the dominoes fell.


    Its quite possible the Spurs still are capable of bringing in another player in the same range as Pendergraph and Bellinelli if they amnesty Bonner and move one of the point guards. It actually really makes sense to do this.
    Eh, disagree. It doesn't make sense to eat Bonner's $4 million to sign a player that is worth a few million. They'd basically have to pay double for whoever they'd want in that range ... and that's not going to happen. There's no $3-5M player out there worth $7-9M.

    PG: Parker, Joseph, De Colo, Mills
    SG: Green, Ginobili, Belinelli, De Colo, Mills
    SF: Leonard, Ginobili, Green, Diaw
    PF: Duncan, Diaw, Bonner, Leonard, Pendergraph
    C: Splitter, Duncan, Baynes, Pendergraph

    Need good growth from Leonard and CJ -- and probably one more surprise player to emerge -- but fine.

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    Yeah, it was a stretch to think a young big would sign for the minimum before seeing how the dominoes fell.


    Eh, disagree. It doesn't make sense to eat Bonner's $4 million to sign a player that is worth a few million. They'd basically have to pay double for whoever they'd want in that range ... and that's not going to happen. There's no $3-5M player out there worth $7-9M.

    PG: Parker, Joseph, De Colo, Mills
    SG: Green, Ginobili, Belinelli, De Colo, Mills
    SF: Leonard, Ginobili, Green, Diaw
    PF: Duncan, Diaw, Bonner, Leonard, Pendergraph
    C: Splitter, Duncan, Baynes, Pendergraph

    Need good growth from Leonard and CJ -- and probably one more surprise player to emerge -- but fine.
    Danny Green adding a floater or anything inside the arc + Splitter not shrinking during the playoffs would have a colossal impact on this team IMO..

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    $7M for a tosb "compe or" that doesn't know when to call it quits
    $9M for a role player "big" that shrinks to the occasion
    Not taking advantage of potentially significant cap space to upgrade in key roles
    Only potential upgrade is to bench scorer and fifth big role
    Foolishly counting on no regression from last season's stars

    If I felt like the Spurs had as good a chance at being back next year as they were to winning it all this year, then this offseason really isn't a disappointment. But, I just can't...there are too many questions and too much potential progression with other teams in the west.

    As a Spurs fan, I truly hope Duncan and Parker maintain, Kawhi continues his breakout, Ginobili breaks out of the funk, Splitter grows a pair, Belinelli is above-replacement for Neal, and time in the system provides progression for the second-year players. That's the only way I see the Spurs being back, and unfortunately I'm just not confident in it at this point.

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    It's only your opinion that the deal is questionable or that it hurts the Spurs in any way. Not facts.
    I agree that in a bubble 2-years and $4 million for Pendergraph is fine. Maybe even a good deal. And since we don't know when exactly the Spurs plan shift away from using cap space (although we can guess it occurred when Ginobili asked for market value), it's unfair to point to the Pendergraph deal as what is keeping the Spurs from trying to make more of a splash.

    If you're shopping for a big and you only want to spend $2M, Pendergraph is about as good as you're going to get. By comparison, he got one-fourth of the amount of money Mahinmi got last summer ... and Mahinmi's resume was equally as empty.

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    So, it's questionable in the opinion of many on this board. Still not fact.
    You are being unreasonable just for the sake of being unreasonable.

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    SA has been interested in AK for years now. I just cannot understand why a franchise that is so smart and successful keep overpaying scrubs in resigning and keep fools like Bonner. Seriously this is a mind .
    You've answered your question tbh.....

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    $7M for a tosb "compe or" that doesn't know when to call it quits
    $9M for a role player "big" that shrinks to the occasion
    Not taking advantage of potentially significant cap space to upgrade in key roles
    Only potential upgrade is to bench scorer and fifth big role
    Foolishly counting on no regression from last season's stars

    If I felt like the Spurs had as good a chance at being back next year as they were to winning it all this year, then this offseason really isn't a disappointment. But, I just can't...there are too many questions and too much potential progression with other teams in the west.

    As a Spurs fan, I truly hope Duncan and Parker maintain, Kawhi continues his breakout, Ginobili breaks out of the funk, Splitter grows a pair, Belinelli is above-replacement for Neal, and time in the system provides progression for the second-year players. That's the only way I see the Spurs being back, and unfortunately I'm just not confident in it at this point.
    Same feelings I had last year after the WCF. They always have a way of surprising us.

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    You are being unreasonable just for the sake of being unreasonable.


    Argumentative, not unreasonable.

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    For what it's worth, I have some friends who are Pacers fans. They were not real happy with Pendergraph.

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    The good news is that the underwhelming offseasons usually lead to better than expected seasons. The "great" offseasons lead to disappointment.

    Not sure why it works that way but that's been the pattern for the Spurs in the Duncan era.

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    Never addressed the back up SF issue, and im not convinced over the back up PG spot either. Lame off-season, but ya Spurs.

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    So 4 Million to a guy who'll maybe play in 20 games? Spurs don't play a deep bench, Baynes was limited last year so I expect him to get some minutes.. not a lot of minutes to go around with 7 guards on the floor, 6 bigs and only 2 small forwards.. Ugh, this reeks.

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    Never addressed the back up SF issue, and im not convinced over the back up PG spot either. Lame off-season, but ya Spurs.
    Yeah, PG by committee again.

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    So 4 Million to a guy who'll maybe play in 20 games? Spurs don't play a deep bench, Baynes was limited last year so I expect him to get some minutes.. not a lot of minutes to go around with 7 guards on the floor, 6 bigs and only 2 small forwards.. Ugh, this reeks.
    we have 2??

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    Typo.. 1.. lol 14 on a team, sorry.. I guess this starts new project.. converting bigs to a small forward.

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    They must really believe in this guy to replace Bonner's role to give him that type of money.

    They must also really believe in Thomas to not have addressed the SF situation by now. That or we're just playing smallball all year.

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    So who's the Spurs backup SF?

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    They must really believe in this guy to replace Bonner's role to give him that type of money.

    They must also really believe in Thomas to not have addressed the SF situation by now. That or we're just playing smallball all year.
    The 2nd thing.. small ball, yup that's probably it. Bonner is moving to the SF position.

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