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Bonner is still on this team
Harlem couldn't find that post because it doesn't exist. Here's one though..... Harlem said the Spurs would win game 7 or he'd be out of here til October. The Spurs lost and he's still posting. You have next to no creditability and your kiss ass takes are underwhelming to say the least. Continue to welch, it's what you do best, TBH.
Bonner is still on this team
You probably do end up paying double but Bonner isn't going to have much of a role on this team. Diaw probably needs to play more and I don't think this team should carry 5 bigs after paying for Splitter (he needs to play more). I don't see the point in Having Bonner on this team. I just don't.
If the Spurs really want to sell out for these last 2 years if they're really planning on blowing it up afterwards. A couple of million more shouldn't even look like a roadblock. It does depend on who they can get though.
Honestly, after watching this play out I have a much bigger problem with Manu's contract now. 2 million per year less might have been the difference in Pendergraph or an actual impact player. Disappointing.
Also LOL @ people complaining about 4 million over 2 years for Pendergraph. Not exactly a break the bank contract for a bench big.
why front office why! why Pop why! why Manu why! why Pop why!!
I think there more upset that is means they used the MLE which in turn means no AK.
Spurs started this season with a late first round pick and very good financial flexibility. They are now at a stage where they can only offer min contracts and what they have done is basically standing pat with Belinelli replacing Neal and Pendergraph replacing Blair. Jackson/McGrady hasn't been replaced for the moment.
You can spin it as much as you want with saying that Spurs should be fine next season, which is true, and that they will have tons of cap space in 2015, which is also true but the bottom line is that Spurs of season has been a big disappointment. They had an opportunity to get really better and they did nothing.
I understand GNSF not getting this, but people who have been here and seen what capspace gets the Spurs for the past 10 years should know better. The Spurs never make splashy signings that work out well. Never.
Which free agent that has signed would you have liked the Spurs to have gotten? I get why people are disappointed but I'm not exactly upset that the Spurs didn't sign anyone who was an actual free agent this off season other than Kirelenko but I'm not sure he was ever a real possibility for what the Spurs had under the cap. I certainly wasn't a fan of anyone else they were linked to. I think the Spurs had to pay a bit too much to retain their own free agents in order to really make a huge impact this off season.
Agreed. Especially of spending a few extra mil does not result in a luxury tax payment to improve the team.
I do think that if the Spurs keep Bonner signing Pendergraph was a fairly stupid move. Doesn't make sense to carry 5 bigs in a league that is increasily going toward small ball. Especially when Kawhi or Boris will end up playing significant minutes at the 4. I'm assuming the Spurs dump him and make a move for a backup swingman.
So, if we see AK47 take a 3 year, 21-24M or 4 year, 28-32M contract, will you change your stance? Also, the Pendergraph contract by itself is not a big deal. But this is a guy who has not stuck with any team, blown out his knee and is the 6th big on the depth charts. Why just hand out money, in conjunction with the other moves, if it makes very little sense?
Millsap would have been nice and he signed for $19M/2 years with Atlanta.
I am just hoping Pendergraph is more of a Danny Green type find rather than a Marcus Haislip type signing. I hope the speculation that the assistant coach we hired saw something in Pendergraph turns out well.
While it may be somewhat of a stretch because at the moment we "don't have 100% proof", it seems like there is a decent probability that Manu taking 7M per year might have changed the course of action for the Spurs. They still could have maneuvered to get flexibility, but it made it a lot more difficult.
Yeah if AK takes a 3 year 21-24m contract then I will probably change my stance. 4 year then probably not since the Spurs obviously have plans on 2015 to blow things up. An expiring deal would have been easy for them to move that year.
I agree with you about Pendergraph as well. Only makes sense to me if they move Bonner.
Pop better have the ball in Leonards hands a lot more next year and Manu's hands a lot less.
Let's hope Pop saw something in him or RC, would rather someone who knows the system evaluate a guy and want to bring him in then some new guy
Millsap wouldn't have been bad but I'm not so sure its a move that really improves the Spurs all that much. I think if they hadn't retained Tiago then a move for Millsap would have made sense but I'm not sure what Millsap gives you off the bench really makes the Spurs a better team with the way they're built now.
I probably agree about the 4 year deal, although the part that hangs me up about that line of thought is: Do we really think the Spurs, if they believed AK would really improve their chances the next two years, would really balk at 2 extra years assuming they would still have plenty of cap space, not pay luxury tax and we have seen how even the worst contracts can be traded?
You would have to really be stuck on that 2015 cap space plan (and that is assuming TD will actually retire then, TP will walk?..)
This. Specifically less Ginobili p&r and more Kawhi in the post.
Just so I'm clear - I'm not saying this is the way I wanted the offseason to play out. Obviously I wasn't waiting in anticipation for Jeff Pendergraph (I do like Bellineli though) but I also don't see this as the end of the world. Its a meh offseason. The truth is that if Duncan and Manu really do regress over the next season then we're done as contenders anyway. At this point I can see why the Spurs would want to pin their hopes on Tim and Manu playing well over the next two years over gambling in free agency.
Best case is the Spurs do a trade and expiring contracts are enough to get it done. Bonner/Boris combined can bring back a player making over 8M. If you add in Nando or Mills, you can easily get close to 10M back in a trade.
They didn't pay Pendergraph $2M to be inactive; he will be the fifth big and the opportunity that I alluded to a few weeks back that I said Baynes was going to get (when they inevitably go away from Bonner for a while, just to see what they have and to have a viable backup center, so that they don't have to overextend Duncan and Splitter), will now be going to Pendergraph.
I knew it was for more than the minimum, but now that they're officially out on Kirilenko (if they were ever in . . . maybe not, but at least there was a scenario where it was financially feasible), I don't get the Belinelli signing. They spent $9.6-10M for Ginobili, Ginobili insurance and a second babysitter for their minimal backup PG's and in the process more than likely ruled out bringing in a rotation caliber SF, despite the fact that they have a grand total of one.
From where we sit now - and this is super speculation seeing as we don't know what will happen tomorrow much less 2 years from now - but I doubt TP walks and I still think that if Duncan is a servicable big he sticks around. I think they rebuild around Kawhi and Tony then, though. I really hope they extend the same courtesy to Tony that they have to Manu and allow him to retire a Spur.
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