The Trayvon Martin Case

[elbamba]

The evidence shows nothing clearly. There are conflicting reports as a matter of fact thus reasonable doubt.

We seem to agree. If there is any reasonable doubt, there should not be a conviction.

[Creepn]

[ QUOTE=elbamba;6740866]The testimony and evidence clesrly shows thst this is not what happened. Evidence that the prosecution saw before they charged second degree murder.

I am not a fan of lesser included offences. Not sure if that is how they bring in manslaughter charges, but it seems like two bites st the apple. They should charge manslaughter if they are going to ultimately try to show manslaughter.[/QUOTE]

Doesn't matter what she did before the testimony if she confessed everything during the testimony. She was brutally honest about everything, about her feelings, her actions, and even the "cracker" comment. I believe she's the most honest out of all the witnesses. I also believe her when she said Martin yelled "get off get off" and it corroborates with the accounts of other witnesses that saw Zimmerman on top.

[Wild Cobra]

The expression "get off it" if true, still doesn't mean anything.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We seem to agree. If there is any reasonable doubt, there should not be a conviction.

In my view, there is reasonable doubt for murder 2 which requires proof of a frame of mind. There is more than enough evidence to say that Zimmerman was criminally negligent though.

As many times I have heard the board conservatives claim "I know hes a stupid asshole but he's no murderer' tells me they know this too. If you are reckless and stupid and someone dies because of it then that soiunds like manslaughter to me.

When it comes down to it though it doesn't matter what we think though. The jury will decide and I for some reason doubt that the white males of the Spurstalk Zimmerman Defense Corps can really identify with that bunch.

[elbamba]

[ QUOTE=elbamba;6740866]The testimony and evidence clesrly shows thst this is not what happened. Evidence that the prosecution saw before they charged second degree murder.

I am not a fan of lesser included offences. Not sure if that is how they bring in manslaughter charges, but it seems like two bites st the apple. They should charge manslaughter if they are going to ultimately try to show manslaughter.

Doesn't matter what she did before the testimony if she confessed everything during the testimony. She was brutally honest about everything, about her feelings, her actions, and even the "cracker" comment. I believe she's the most honest out of all the witnesses. I also believe her when she said Martin yelled "get off get off" and it corroborates with the accounts of other witnesses that saw Zimmerman on top.[/QUOTE]

Or she continued to lie and her testimony was nothing more than telling the jury what she thought they wanted to hear. She has a history of doing that. FYI, depositions are official court proceedings so lying under oath makes her a "fat liar" just like Zimmerman. Isn't that what you keep calling him. Why the double standard with truth telling?

[elbamba]

When it comes down to it though it doesn't matter what we think though. The jury will decide and I for some reason doubt that the white males of the Spurstalk Zimmerman Defense Corps can really identify with that bunch.

I don't know that anyone has made the argument that the jury is going to look at Spurstalk posts to determine whether to Convict George Zimmerman. Why do you assume that everyone that believes Zimmerman should not be convicted is white?

[Capt Bringdown]

head Zimmerman disobeyed police instructions, stalked and murdered a young black man in cold blood.

[Creepn]

Or she continued to lie and her testimony was nothing more than telling the jury what she thought they wanted to hear. She has a history of doing that. FYI, depositions are official court proceedings so lying under oath makes her a "fat liar" just like Zimmerman. Isn't that what you keep calling him. Why the double standard with truth telling?

Oh you think a white jury wants to hear that someone called someone a "cracker"? I also asked you previous pages to tell me what she lied about but you never delivered. Maybe I simply missed something.

IF she did lie, I could ask you exactly the same thing about the double standard accept there's a difference. She didn't kill anybody and she came clean in her testimony. You choose you take the word over a murderer who constantly changes his story over a teen who just lied about her age to avoid publicity (a totally seperate affair). If that's the stance you want to take, more power to you.

[DPG21920]

There's a case similar to this, don't know the name sorry, but one guy claimed he killed I'm self defense but because of his numerous inconsistencies like Zimmerman, the jury found him guilty of murder. They're wasn't a lot of hard evidence in that case a well.

That is a good thing, right? If he's guilty, if the evidence is even remotely close enough to convict, won't he be convicted?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't know that anyone has made the argument that the jury is going to look at Spurstalk posts to determine whether to Convict George Zimmerman. Why do you assume that everyone that believes Zimmerman should not be convicted is white?

I never said they all were. If one of these trolls is DMC then he is not white but I know that m<s and CC are.

As for your strawman, I never said that the jury would do this or that. I really do not recall them making comments after jury selection about the jury one way or another. That actually speaks to the point I am trying to make. They talk in absolutes with comments like 'Zimmerman will be acquitted' without much thought or articulation. That is the point I am making.

[Creepn]

That is a good thing, right? If he's guilty, if the evidence is even remotely close enough to convict, won't he be convicted?

Well it certainly gives hope for a possible conviction but will he is a different matter.

[Wild Cobra]

head Zimmerman disobeyed police instructions, stalked and murdered a young black man in cold blood.

Wow...

That line has been proven wrong on several occasions. You must be monumentally stupid to continue using it.

[bobcatfan4life]

Zimmerman is a racist, that's all that needs to be said

[Wild Cobra]

Zimmerman is a racist, that's all that needs to be said

I see we have a new butthurt troll.

Welcome.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He wasn't given instructions but its clear that it was recommended to him that he not do so.

We know that he followed Martin and Martin didn't yank him out of the car.

WC is just as baseless and lacking articulation as the rest of the Zimmerman defense corps.

[bobcatfan4life]

I see we have a new butthurt troll.

Welcome.

Just saying the truth

[Wild Cobra]

Just saying the truth

I think you are just a a racist against those with Hispanic heritage. The news has had several accounts of him being anything but racist, and friends with some blacks.

[elbamba]

Oh you think a white jury wants to hear that someone called someone a "cracker"? I also asked you previous pages to tell me what she lied about but you never delivered. Maybe I simply missed something.

IF she did lie, I could ask you exactly the same thing about the double standard accept there's a difference. She didn't kill anybody and she came clean in her testimony. You choose you take the word over a murderer who constantly changes his story over a teen who just lied about her age to avoid publicity (a totally seperate affair). If that's the stance you want to take, more power to you.

All you need is Google if you really care to find out her lies.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/06/pr...ed-under-oath/

Her testimony changing from the deposition from the last thing she could hear was someone hitting someone else to now hearing grass and Martin saying "get off, get off". You can go back and listen to the transcript, its all there. These are just two examples. I am sure that you don't believe her anymore. Once someone lies in court they lose all credibility.

There is no double standard with me. Zimmerman has not taken the witness stand to testify. When he does, his honesty will come into play. Right now, the jury is to take what has been presented before it, not what was said at a hearing that will not come into evidence unless Zimmerman takes the stand.

[Big Empty]

Zimmerman is a racist, that's all that needs to be said

Go Cats Go!

[elbamba]

I never said they all were. If one of these trolls is DMC then he is not white but I know that m<s and CC are.

As for your strawman, I never said that the jury would do this or that. I really do not recall them making comments after jury selection about the jury one way or another. That actually speaks to the point I am trying to make. They talk in absolutes with comments like 'Zimmerman will be acquitted' without much thought or articulation. That is the point I am making.

Not really a strawman. I could have just thanked you for pointing out the obvious. Why do you care if posters have drawn premeditated conclusions on the outcome of this case?

[Trill Clinton]

jesus christ, how many of cowardman's family and friends have wrote a book about this case???

[Trill Clinton]

Just saying the truth

don't mind him. welcome to the thread, doggie.

[AntiChrist]

The GZ lynch mob is overly emo about this case. Nice work, MSM.

[AntiChrist]

The best evidence in this case is GZ's face/head and TM's knuckles. All the other stuff are witness accounts from a dark, rainy night and people trying to say who is screaming on a 9/11 call.

Based on GZ's face/head and TM's knuckles, it doesn't make much sense that it is TM screaming (unless you are totally being dishonest with yourself).

[JudynTX]

So called friends on the stand.