262 mpg

[CosmicCowboy]

There are quite a few high MPG diesel vehicles already being sold in Europe. Unfortunately they can't be sold in the US because of the EPA.

[boutons_deux]

There are quite a few high MPG diesel vehicles already being sold in Europe. Unfortunately they can't be sold in the US because of the EPA.

what EPA rule is stopping Euro diesels?

2014 BMW 328d Diesel Sedan Officially Debuts, All-Wheel-Drive Wagon Variant Coming


http://blog.caranddriver.com/2014-bm...ariant-coming/

[CosmicCowboy]

Nox

There are a bunch of cars in Europe getting 60-70mpg that can't be sold in the US because of EPA regs.

[CosmicCowboy]

Boutons again arguing about stuff he doesn't know about.

[boutons_deux]

VW has been selling diesels in US for years, passat, jetta.... and they have high MPG and resale value

[RandomGuy]

yeah I heard about Austin's traffic. Still I don't think today's generation is less materialistic as ours. People will always buy the new car.

Not exactly materialism, just a different mindset about the expense and cost vehicles represent.

[Sportcamper]

I think all Cosmic is saying is that Europe does not have the EPA standards that we have stateside & they are able to sell cars that don’t meet our standards…This is old news right?

[boutons_deux]

Fuel taxes by country

http://www.afdc.energy.gov/data/tab/all/data_set/10327

note almost all countries except use have lower taxes on diesel to dissuade gasoline's lower mileage

but in USA, where BigOil sets govt policy, it's the reverse. BigOil is setup to refine/sell gasoline so that's what policies BigOil pays for govt policies to favor.

[CosmicCowboy]

VW has been selling diesels in US for years, passat, jetta.... and they have high MPG and resale value

Not the same, Boutons. Why insist on arguing about something you know nothing about?

[TeyshaBlue]

VW has been selling diesels in US for years, passat, jetta.... and they have high MPG and resale value

And they've spent beaucoup bucks modifying the powertrains to meet US regs. Not every manufacturer can nor wants to spend that kind of cash for what is still a very niche us market.

[TeyshaBlue]

Not the same, Boutons. Why insist on arguing about something you know nothing about?

Why would he stop now?

[TeyshaBlue]

Fuel taxes by country

http://www.afdc.energy.gov/data/tab/all/data_set/10327

note almost all countries except use have lower taxes on diesel to dissuade gasoline's lower mileage

but in USA, where BigOil sets govt policy, it's the reverse. BigOil is setup to refine/sell gasoline so that's what policies BigOil pays for govt policies to favor.

The extra cost of diesel is not taxes dumbass. It's the refining process to extract the sulphur content that's adding to the cost. Europe doesn't have anywhere near the regulations concerning sulphur that the US does. That's the work of the EPA, not "Big Oil". Outside of Mexico and Chile, the US has the lowest tax on diesel @.59/gal.

[boutons_deux]

Not the same, Boutons. Why insist on arguing about something you know nothing about?

any of your unspecified Euro diesels that get 60+ mpg are most likely MICRO cars that are such a tiny segment in USA, they aren't worth marketing.

[CosmicCowboy]

any of your unspecified Euro diesels that get 60+ mpg are most likely MICRO cars that are such a tiny segment in USA, they aren't worth marketing.

Wrong as usual dumb . Is your computer just stuck on thinkprogress? Ever heard of google?

http://www.hybridcars.com/lusting-eu...pg-cars-25323/

[Wild Cobra]

10 billion spent on research...I wonder what the price tag would be

Divided by 1,000 cars, that would be $10 million each plus manufacturing costs plus profit.

The millage in the article le cannot be right.

They say 310 mile range, 31 miles on the battery. That leaves 279 miles on 2.6 gallons, or 107 MPG.

[Wild Cobra]

Well, the R & D would actually be spread over all the cars the company sells. Whatever tech or design innovations they got for one model can be applied to any other car the company makes.

Yep.

10,000,000 cars at $10 billion... $1,000 each just for R&D costs.

I don't think they can sell anywhere near that number.

as for applying it to other cars? Who wants a car with no power steering? Who wants a car designed solely for a small drag coefficient? Who want an electric with only a 31 mile range before the fuel starts pumping?

[Wild Cobra]

There are quite a few high MPG diesel vehicles already being sold in Europe. Unfortunately they can't be sold in the US because of the EPA.

Very true.

As for the 262 MPG claim, that must be based on equivalent electricity. Then one is limited to 31 miles between charging the battery.

[Wild Cobra]

VW has been selling diesels in US for years, passat, jetta.... and they have high MPG and resale value

Yes, but they don't get the same milage as theor european counterparts.

Even our gasoline vehicles could probably get 20% better fuel economy if the fuel blend and combustion process wasn't tailored for near zero emissions.

[Wild Cobra]

I think all Cosmic is saying is that Europe does not have the EPA standards that we have stateside & they are able to sell cars that don’t meet our standards…This is old news right?

Yep, but not common knowledge.

[AntiChrist]

Yep.

10,000,000 cars at $10 billion... $1,000 each just for R&D costs.

I don't think they can sell anywhere near that number.

as for applying it to other cars? Who wants a car with no power steering? Who wants a car designed solely for a small drag coefficient? Who want an electric with only a 31 mile range before the fuel starts pumping?

Per the article, they are only making 250 units.

[AntiChrist]

First iteration of this thing. Looks like one of those pneumatic tubes at the bank.

[Wild Cobra]

Per the article, they are only making 250 units.

LOL...

I didn't read the whole thing.

Ouch!

[Wild Cobra]

First iteration of this thing. Looks like one of those pneumatic tubes at the bank.

They probably get the 262 MPG by drafting off of cars and truck.

[boutons_deux]

Yes, but they don't get the same milage as theor european counterparts.

link?

[boutons_deux]

Europe don't have any oil, and they buy $ so they can buy oil, so they know their wealth is being exported, drained away, giving them huge incentive to look into reducing oil purchases for transport.