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    Anybody else we can get from the Bucks in a S&T?

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    As maddening as he is sometimes, he did step up in the Finals. Bringing him back for a small contract isn't bad, especially if the alternative is him walking for nothing, especially to another WC contender.

    And, yes, the Spurs will probably need a trade at some point to right size the roster.

    If this noise is true regarding Neal, then given the other reported Spurs' activity in free agency, they will probably look to move Bonner and one of the guards for a backup 3.

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    4 Pendergraph
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    2 Neal
    2 De Colo
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    Anybody else we can get from the Bucks in a S&T?
    nope, their team pretty much sucks. No SF there.

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    I had assumed that someone who needs shooting would throw $3-4mil per year at Neal, and the Spurs would let him walk. However, if that price has dropped to something like $2 million per year, then there's very few good reasons not to match such an offer (with roster flexibility being the only one I can think of). With Neal being a RFA, you keep him as an asset if he gets a cheap offer sheet, and sort out the guard rotation via trade later in the year.

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    Anybody else we can get from the Bucks in a S&T?
    Not really. Wouldn't have minded Mbah-a-Moute, but the bucks already gave him away.

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    did we have a backup SF in the playoffs/finals? we did ok if you ask me

    then again its probably not a good idea to ride kawhi so hard

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    Neal and Bonner have their flaws. Still, Bonner gives you the outside shooting threat in the bigman rotation and Neal did exhibit the ability to hit some big shots on the biggest stage.

    Any move of Bonner should result in the Spurs replacing his regular season 3pt production and accuracy at the backup 3.

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    Of course, the Spurs could wing it for the 13 to 15 minutes a night that Leonard is on the bench in the regular season with Bellinelli or Ginobili against quick 3s and Diaw against big 3s.

    Still, imo you don't sign Pendergraph unless you are moving Bonner.

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    The Spurs need another SF so A) Kawhi can get rest and B) We can use 2 SFs in small ball.

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    Neal and Bonner have their flaws. Still, Bonner gives you the outside shooting threat in the bigman rotation and Neal did exhibit the ability to hit some big shots on the biggest stage.

    Any move of Bonner should result in the Spurs replacing his regular season 3pt production and accuracy at the backup 3.
    I don't mind having Bonner on the roster at all. I don't like having him in the regular rotation (he is a match-up weapon, as we saw in these playoffs), and I don't like having to commit 4 million against the cap for his services. All season long last year, I was at Neal's defense, using the simple "he hits big shots" line. I lost faith in him during the playoffs, but he came up absolutely huge in game 3 and is the reason we pulled away and won. I know Green made more 3's than Neal that game, but I want to say 5 of Green's 3's came when the game was already getting out of hand, whereas Neal made all of his when we were starting to make our run

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    Just because I'm bored and feel like dreaming up trade scenarios............

    San Antonio sends Neal (S&T), Bonner & Mills (if they want him) to Milwaukee and Decolo to Minnesota.
    San Antonio receives Kirilenko (S&T) and Ridnour from Minnesota

    Minnesota sends Kirilenko & Ridnour to San Antonio
    Minnesota receives Decolo from San Antonio

    Milwaukee sends their choice of a top-59 protected 2nd round draft pick or a $20 gift card from Target to San Antonio
    Milwaukee receives Neal, Bonner and Mills (if they want him) from San Antonio

    What's in it for the Spurs? They get AK, a veteran PG who can actually run an offense and clear out some roster space.

    What's in it for Minnesota? They need to re-sign Pek and clear cap room for Martin. To do that they need to get rid of AK's cap hold. While they can just renounce him, agreeing to S&T him to us while swapping Ridnour for Decolo frees up an additional $2.8 mil in cap space for them to work with. It also takes $2.8 mil off of how much money they've got tied up in the PG position as they already have Rubio and Barea on their roster.

    What's in it for Milwaukee? They just lost Red and Dunleavy so they need 3pt shooters. While they have the ability to just sign Neal outright if they want to, by playing along they get to add another shooter, or two, on reasonable 1 year contracts for nothing.

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    Anybody else we can get from the Bucks in a S&T?
    M'Ba Amoute.

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    No, no he's not.
    Better than Derren ing Collison

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    Not really. Wouldn't have minded Mbah-a-Moute, but the bucks already gave him away.
    Which trade?

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    To Sac town for two future 2nd round picks

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    Kings for 2 2nd round picks

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    To kings for two second round picks.

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    lol 3 replies...

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    Makes no sense to get Marco if youre going to keep Neal. I've tried to give them the benefit of the doubt but this is getting really ing weird.
    Marco's there because they expect Ginobili's annual injury will cause him to miss 40+ games. There's also the possibility of Manu missing all of the playoffs - it's happened too often in the past. They really should have offered Ginobili nothing above 5 mil and went after AK. All this money for a guy that puts his national team as the number 1 priority in his career is disturbing.

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    Marco's there because they expect Ginobili's annual injury will cause him to miss 40+ games. There's also the possibility of Manu missing all of the playoffs - it's happened too often in the past. They really should have offered Ginobili nothing above 5 mil and went after AK. All this money for a guy that puts his national team as the number 1 priority in his career is disturbing.

    And anybody who disagrees with this post needs to reevaluate their life.

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    As maddening as he is sometimes, he did step up in the Finals. Bringing him back for a small contract isn't bad, especially if the alternative is him walking for nothing, especially to another WC contender.

    And, yes, the Spurs will probably need a trade at some point to right size the roster.

    If this noise is true regarding Neal, then given the other reported Spurs' activity in free agency, they will probably look to move Bonner and one of the guards for a backup 3.

    Starters
    1 Parker
    2 Green
    3 Leonard
    4 Duncan
    5 Splitter

    Bench
    1 Joseph
    2 Ginobili
    2 Bellinelli
    3 ?
    4 Diaw
    4 Pendergraph
    5 Baynes

    Excess
    1 Mills
    2 Neal
    2 De Colo
    4 Bonner
    All I see there is that ? mark in the middle. That is my main concern.

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    Just because I'm bored and feel like dreaming up trade scenarios............

    San Antonio sends Neal (S&T), Bonner & Mills (if they want him) to Milwaukee and Decolo to Minnesota.
    San Antonio receives Kirilenko (S&T) and Ridnour from Minnesota

    Minnesota sends Kirilenko & Ridnour to San Antonio
    Minnesota receives Decolo from San Antonio

    Milwaukee sends their choice of a top-59 protected 2nd round draft pick or a $20 gift card from Target to San Antonio
    Milwaukee receives Neal, Bonner and Mills (if they want him) from San Antonio

    What's in it for the Spurs? They get AK, a veteran PG who can actually run an offense and clear out some roster space.

    What's in it for Minnesota? They need to re-sign Pek and clear cap room for Martin. To do that they need to get rid of AK's cap hold. While they can just renounce him, agreeing to S&T him to us while swapping Ridnour for Decolo frees up an additional $2.8 mil in cap space for them to work with. It also takes $2.8 mil off of how much money they've got tied up in the PG position as they already have Rubio and Barea on their roster.

    What's in it for Milwaukee? They just lost Red and Dunleavy so they need 3pt shooters. While they have the ability to just sign Neal outright if they want to, by playing along they get to add another shooter, or two, on reasonable 1 year contracts for nothing.
    Now your thinking the Spurs need 1-2 year roster upgrades and are a perfect match for a salary dumping team. We need to add salary and the tradeable assets are our 3 backup pgs and Bonner Neal Blair and draft picks as a last resort.

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    I had assumed that someone who needs shooting would throw $3-4mil per year at Neal, and the Spurs would let him walk. However, if that price has dropped to something like $2 million per year, then there's very few good reasons not to match such an offer (with roster flexibility being the only one I can think of). With Neal being a RFA, you keep him as an asset if he gets a cheap offer sheet, and sort out the guard rotation via trade later in the year.
    Plus if you really need the roster spot, Neal would be an easy salary dump down the road if you're just paying the one year qualifying offer. If we're not going to fill out the 15th roster spot otherwise, it makes sense to collect good salaries (one year deals at reasonable rates) that can be packaged for an asset. Similar to people complimenting Boston for collecting draft picks - not because they'll use them all, but because they are trade assets.


    Now your thinking the Spurs need 1-2 year roster upgrades and are a perfect match for a salary dumping team. We need to add salary and the tradeable assets are our 3 backup pgs and Bonner Neal Blair and draft picks as a last resort.
    On edit, couldn't have said it better myself. I wouldn't mind showcasing De Colo some in summer league and early in the season and see if someone becomes fond of him. With Bonner alone, that's $5.408mm of salary that can be turned into 150% + $100k, or $8.212mm. And I think we can throw some cash ($3mm once a year?) into a trade too if it makes swallowing that money easier. That can bring back a nice haul if a team wants to tank and doesn't want a guy under contract for 2014-15.
    Last edited by cjw; 07-09-2013 at 10:37 PM.

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    Gary Woeful? Who the is that?

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    Gary Woeful? Who the is that?
    Sounds like the perfect name for a Bucks beat writer.

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