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    Flip Saunders
    living off prime KG
    destroyed a championship team
    KG finally rings with a different coach
    terrible coach
    overpays for Kvin Mrtin
    terrible GM

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    I get the feeling Saunders doesn't want to do AK any favors...
    It's not about AK, it's about the Spurs, he had them by the balls and he let them know...

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    I highly doubt the FO would consider trading Green for AK, it would be a foolish move by the Spurs, tbh..

    I assume they aren't offering any of the core 6 guys, so adding an 18 PER player from last season that plays good defense and understands team basketball to your rotation would be an impact move, tbh..

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    Flip Saunders
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    destroyed a championship team
    KG finally rings with a different coach
    terrible coach
    overpays for Kvin Mrtin
    terrible GM
    not helping the spurs
    what a s bag
    bring back kahn

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    Our front office doesn't seem to the ones backing out.
    Yes, they are. The Spurs could still make a ton of flexibility by paying teams to take some contracts off their hands in the same way that Golden State did (and it wouldn't be nearly as expensive). Then they could give Minnesota the empty sign-and-trade they want. But the team doesn't think it's worth it to part with that many assets for Kirilenko. They don't think he's good enough to go through the trouble. So they are backing out. Minnesota may be backing out too, but since they weren't the ones who approached the Spurs, I don't see them as being able to do so.

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    I hope flip saunders dies taking a or something. What an ass...

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    Yes, they are. The Spurs could still make a ton of flexibility by paying teams to take some contracts off their hands in the same way that Golden State did (and it wouldn't be nearly as expensive). Then they could give Minnesota the empty sign-and-trade they want. But the team doesn't think it's worth it to part with that many assets for Kirilenko. They don't think he's good enough to go through the trouble. So they are backing out. Minnesota may be backing out too, but since they weren't the ones who approached the Spurs, I don't see them as being able to do so.
    Thats not the Spurs backing out. Thats the Spurs not undergoing a totally different process to get AK.

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    At least good to know that Spurs haven't been just fine with standing pat. Kirilenko would have been just great.

    Assuming the Kirilenko talks are dead, have Spurs a plan B that isn't just sticking with what they have? A key to that question is Bonner's contract: Have Spurs been able to push back the guaranteed deadline? Have they even tried to do so?

    And Kirilenko could have been likely had without a S&T. With Belinelli signed with the room exception, Neal renounced, Bonner amnestied, De Colo and Mills salary dumped, Spurs could have offered Kirlenko a contract starting at $8M by just signing him with cap space. I really don't get why Spurs haven't done that. Are Pendergraph and Bonner worth Kirilenko?

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    Why are people attacking Saunders? Why would he mess up his cap space for Kirilenko? It doesn't make any sense that he'd spend a lot of money and picks to bring in swingmen only have to cut some of them so he could take some of the Spurs' garbage? He already has 14 or 15 players committed to the roster. It makes not sense to agree to a sign-and-trade when you don't need to.

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    A Kirlenko S&T would have made sense for Minny if OKC was fine with doing a Martin S&T. It would have allowed them to just sign Corey Brewer with the MLE. Now, it's fully possible that OKC didn't want to make both Spurs and Wolves stronger teams with basically no benefits for them.

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    On one hand, that silences the ridiculous ing that the Spurs weren't really trying to improve the team.

    On the other, Saunders. He's still salty from all those T'Wolves ass kickings.

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    Why are people attacking Saunders? Why would he mess up his cap space for Kirilenko? It doesn't make any sense that he'd spend a lot of money and picks to bring in swingmen only have to cut some of them so he could take some of the Spurs' garbage? He already has 14 or 15 players committed to the roster. It makes not sense to agree to a sign-and-trade when you don't need to.
    because they can also pick up draft picks and a trade exception

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    At least good to know that Spurs haven't been just fine with standing pat. Kirilenko would have been just great.

    Assuming the Kirilenko talks are dead, have Spurs a plan B that isn't just sticking with what they have? A key to that question is Bonner's contract: Have Spurs been able to push back the guaranteed deadline? Have they even tried to do so?

    And Kirilenko could have been likely had without a S&T. With Belinelli signed with the room exception, Neal renounced, Bonner amnestied, De Colo and Mills salary dumped, Spurs could have offered Kirlenko a contract starting at $8M by just signing him with cap space. I really don't get why Spurs haven't done that. Are Pendergraph and Bonner worth Kirilenko?
    Not to mention the team could have just kept Neal and giving Pendergraph the room exception if they wanted him that badly. They still would have been able to give Kirilenko starting at $7.4 Million, which is a great deal compared to what he's going to get.

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    because they can also pick up draft picks and a trade exception
    But they already have draft picks, and the trade exception is useless if they just want to use cap space. It literally makes no sense to take another team's trash just to say you got something back for Kirilenko.

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    At least good to know that Spurs haven't been just fine with standing pat. Kirilenko would have been just great.

    Assuming the Kirilenko talks are dead, have Spurs a plan B that isn't just sticking with what they have? A key to that question is Bonner's contract: Have Spurs been able to push back the guaranteed deadline? Have they even tried to do so?

    And Kirilenko could have been likely had without a S&T. With Belinelli signed with the room exception, Neal renounced, Bonner amnestied, De Colo and Mills salary dumped, Spurs could have offered Kirlenko a contract starting at $8M by just signing him with cap space. I really don't get why Spurs haven't done that. Are Pendergraph and Bonner worth Kirilenko?
    Yeah and that's not even talking about Manu and Tiago's deals...

    But probably took Bonner off the table... Can't live without his lover...

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    Why are people attacking Saunders?
    It's fun, tbh

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    A Kirlenko S&T would have made sense for Minny if OKC was fine with doing a Martin S&T. It would have allowed them to just sign Corey Brewer with the MLE. Now, it's fully possible that OKC didn't want to make both Spurs and Wolves stronger teams with basically no benefits for them.
    All reports are that OKC wanted to do the S&T to get the TE.

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    Assuming Pendergraph with the room exception, Amnesty of Bonner and Salary dump of some of the guards they can probably get to 4.5 million but I really really really doubt thats an option for AK. I think thats pipe dream territory.
    There's still a small chance that Belinelli got the room exception and Pendergraph got the minimum. Reports on Belinelli would have to be high and McDonald would have to be full of sh!t regarding Pengergraph's contract. Neither one is unlikely by itself but together it's pretty unlikely.

    McDonald's tweet is the only thing that is claiming two years and $4M for Teddy Pendergrass, right?

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    The good thing is that the offseason still isn't over and even if this is it for the Spurs they'll have flexibility to make a move at the deadline.

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    Spurfan is pissed opponent GMs aren't bending over for their team
    still salty at how one-sided the Pau trade looked to be back then
    not getting respect despite how pervasive the Pop coaching tree is

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    Our front office doesn't seem to the ones backing out.

    Also, AK brings more to the table at a position where the Spurs are thin. On the other hand, Green is a good player but the Spurs are deep at that position.
    They are not deep at defensive wings that are in the top 15 in TS% league-wide. AK will barely play if the other players on the team do what they're supposed to do. Sure, the Spurs can make minutes for him, but that's not necessarily going to be the most beneficial thing for the team in the long run.

    And yes, the front office is backing out. That's why talks are done. Otherwise, they'd try to find another way to give Minnesota the trade exception they want.

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    Oh, well carry on, then.

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    Yeah and that's not even talking about Manu and Tiago's deals...
    Manu's taking a couple of $M less would surely helped to sign Kirilenko. Tiago didn't really matter since his cap hold is at $7.5M. Maybe what failed with that scenario is that not teams were willing to take De Colo and/or Mills. I doubt it since both contract are really cheap but we never know.

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    That would suck, as even Royce White's deal got moved.

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    Manu's taking a couple of $M less would surely helped to sign Kirilenko. Tiago didn't really matter since his cap hold is at $7.5M. Maybe what failed with that scenario is that not teams were willing to take De Colo and/or Mills. I doubt it since both contract are really cheap but we never know.
    The only explanation the Spurs have so many guards is that they thought that the TWolves were still in the Kahn era of stocking up on combo guards while letting go of tangible assets.

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