262 mpg

[boutons_deux]

Why Do European Cars Get Better MPG Than US Cars?

http://jalopnik.com/5981938/why-do-e...g-than-us-cars

[RandomGuy]

Yep.

10,000,000 cars at $10 billion... $1,000 each just for R&D costs.

I don't think they can sell anywhere near that number.

as for applying it to other cars? Who wants a car with no power steering? Who wants a car designed solely for a small drag coefficient? Who want an electric with only a 31 mile range before the fuel starts pumping?

Tech such as forming body parts from carbon composites, metallurgy, and so forth. You are focusing on the stuff mentioned in the article, and not imagining all the other things that went into this project.

Cars are complex things, and the innovation on the thousands of parts that go into a car can be applied to other line vehicles. Spin-off technology and manufacturing methods will affect other lines of cars that the engineers at VW will make. Knowledge is ulative.

[AntiChrist]

Tech such as forming body parts from carbon composites, metallurgy, and so forth. You are focusing on the stuff mentioned in the article, and not imagining all the other things that went into this project.

Cars are complex things, and the innovation on the thousands of parts that go into a car can be applied to other line vehicles. Spin-off technology and manufacturing methods will affect other lines of cars that the engineers at VW will make. Knowledge is ulative.

What's the real innovation here? Seems like this is mostly about making a very lightweight aerodynamic vehicle. College students have been making these hypermililng vehicles in compe ions for years, but you wouldn't want to drive one on the freeway.

[RandomGuy]

What's the real innovation here? Seems like this is mostly about making a very lightweight aerodynamic vehicle. College students have been making these hypermililng vehicles in compe ions for years, but you wouldn't want to drive one on the freeway.

In 2010, Volkswagen, posted record sales of 6.29 million vehicles, with its global market share at 11.4%

Yearly sales of 6.29M, means that their future sales will benefit from what they have developed here over the last years.

You are close, it is about making this a lightweight vehicle. You just are failing to use your imagination as to how that might be applied to other models, and lack the knowledge about how such costs are carried by ongoing enterprises.

The calcualtion isn't quite as simple as $10bn/250. That is a misleading oversimplification that leads one to incorrect conclusions about the efficacy of the project. Simply not enough data yet to see if the R & D pays off.

[scott]

link?

Well for a quick basic comparison, Audi lists their A3 as 6.6-3.8L/100KM and their A4 at 8.1-4.3/100KM in Germany. If my math is right, that equates to 36 city/62 hwy for the A3 & 29 city/46 hwy for the A4.

But neither of these cars are available in the US, and compare that to a TDI VW Jetta which only gets 30 city/42 hwy

[TeyshaBlue]

Well for a quick basic comparison, Audi lists their A3 as 6.6-3.8L/100KM and their A4 at 8.1-4.3/100KM in Germany. If my math is right, that equates to 36 city/62 hwy for the A3 & 29 city/46 hwy for the A4.

But neither of these cars are available in the US, and compare that to a TDI VW Jetta which only gets 30 city/42 hwy

There you go all sanctifying and adoring again.

[TeyshaBlue]

The A3 is coming 2014 tho.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/first...-audi-a3-sedan

[boutons_deux]

saw an Audi 8L on I10 West, truecar says about $80K

[scott]

The A3 is coming 2014 tho.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/first...-audi-a3-sedan

We used to get the A3, in fact I didn't realize they stopped. I'm interested in the sedan and sportback when they come. I'm about a year out from trading in my Hybrid Camry, always wanted an Audi. Having the TDI A3 (or A4 or A6 for that matter) would push me to make the move.

[scott]

saw an Audi 8L on I10 West, truecar says about $80K

I thought we used to get Audi TDI's in the smaller models, currently only available in the Q7 and A8.

[leemajors]

Tech such as forming body parts from carbon composites, metallurgy, and so forth. You are focusing on the stuff mentioned in the article, and not imagining all the other things that went into this project.

Cars are complex things, and the innovation on the thousands of parts that go into a car can be applied to other line vehicles. Spin-off technology and manufacturing methods will affect other lines of cars that the engineers at VW will make. Knowledge is ulative.

VW is also changing their platform, interesting read here:

http://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-plans...ever-646936695

[TeyshaBlue]

We used to get the A3, in fact I didn't realize they stopped. I'm interested in the sedan and sportback when they come. I'm about a year out from trading in my Hybrid Camry, always wanted an Audi. Having the TDI A3 (or A4 or A6 for that matter) would push me to make the move.

Just Googled them......Damn, they've been here since 2006. Talk about stealth advertising. Never even seen one, much less an advert for one.

[scott]

Just Googled them......Damn, they've been here since 2006. Talk about stealth advertising. Never even seen one, much less an advert for one.

But they aren't currently advertised on the audiusa.com, which means I assume they were discontinued. The 2014 looks pretty sweet though. Hoping we do get the Sportback

[Leetonidas]

Better never crash in that thing, your ass is ing dead

[Wild Cobra]

Tech such as forming body parts from carbon composites, metallurgy, and so forth. You are focusing on the stuff mentioned in the article, and not imagining all the other things that went into this project.

Cars are complex things, and the innovation on the thousands of parts that go into a car can be applied to other line vehicles. Spin-off technology and manufacturing methods will affect other lines of cars that the engineers at VW will make. Knowledge is ulative.

Yes, I understand how spinoff technology is valuable. I still couldn't resist the opportunity to make fun of the price.

[boutons_deux]

another contribution to US cars having lower mileage is the stupid, avoid unavoidable inclusion of less energy dense ethanol in gasoline.

[Wild Cobra]

another contribution to US cars having lower mileage is the stupid, avoid unavoidable inclusion of less energy dense ethanol in gasoline.

Now this and your imperial gallons argument are actually good ones. How about sticking to the good arguments, and stop posting most the bull you do?

[boutons_deux]

Now this and your imperial gallons argument are actually good ones. How about sticking to the good arguments, and stop posting most the bull you do?

how about GFY, OVER AND OVER AND OVER