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    The only thing that formally ends it is if Beli/Pend are signed with MLE and AK is renounced.
    So if Beli and Pend are signed with the MLE, the Spurs can't do a S&T with Minny anymore?

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    ... or AK agreeing to terms with another team.

    But that's not happening, considering that he's going to be a Spur by the end of the day.
    Work, praying-dog.jpg, work, gotdamnit!

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    So if Beli and Pend are signed with the MLE, the Spurs can't do a S&T with Minny anymore?
    He said AND. If we use MLE then we must sign and trade for him, which becomes impossible once he is renounced

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    http://fansided.com/2013/07/10/minne...antonio-spurs/

    Minnesota Timberwolves Refuse to Trade Andrei Kirilenko to San Antonio Spurs

    Often times, teams are more than willing to help a former player work out a sign and trade deal with an opposing team as it’s better to get some type of asset(s) than to leave empty handed.

    That’s not a philosophy the Minnesota Timberwolves are employing when it comes to a sign and trade deal with Andrei Kirilenko – at least not right now.

    Reports surfaced last night that the San Antonio Spurs had contacted the Wolves in an attempt to sign and trade for the Russian born small forward, who they’ve hand a long standing interest in. Unable to sign him outright, the Spurs were hopeful they could engage the T’Wolves in a deal but they apparently had no interest in helping the Spurs get better or assisting a Western Conference rival.

    Per Yahoo Sports:

    The Spurs seriously considered a multiyear offer for Kirilenko, but Minnesota general manager Flip Saunders has shown little, if any, inclination to assist him in securing a significant financial contract elsewhere, sources said.

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    Work, praying-dog.jpg, work, gotdamnit!
    Had anyone actually posted the jpg?

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    While they may have trepedations about helping a compe or, they obviously think Brewer is better or of better value than Kirilenko as they have chosen him over Kirilenko. I do think the draft pick would be enticing for many reasons. I'd just hate to give it up for a 32 year old Kirilenko who did have injury issues last year. I think he'd be great for the system, but I'm not sure he makes us better than Miami (although he might).
    Obviously, I wouldn't want to give it up, but that's the only shot they'd have and even though I'm also not 100% convinced he would make the Spurs markedly better either, it's still a no brainer for the Spurs, because there's no downside. He definitely wouldn't make them markedly worse, so they'd either be about the same or better.

    And with two shots left, they need to be going for it, as opposed to hoping for it.


    It's funny how everyone is always determined to not help the Spurs get better (even though the vast majority haven't thought they were contenders going into a season since '07-08), yet they've never had a problem consistently helping the Lakers.

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    He said AND. If we use MLE then we must sign and trade for him, which becomes impossible once he is renounced
    Ahh missed that. Thanks.

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    So if Beli and Pend are signed with the MLE, the Spurs can't do a S&T with Minny anymore?
    the Spurs can do a S&T as long as the Wolves don't renounce Kirilenko.

    The problem is that the Spurs won't be able to sign Kirilenko with capspace or MLE or anything if they sign B and P first. If they amnesty Bonner and dump De Colo, P & B guarantee they have less space than than teams that use the MLE. If they keep Bonner and sign P, then they don't get the MLE and have to use the room exception on Belinelli.

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    Had anyone actually posted the jpg?
    It's funnier without posting the actual pic, imo.

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    the Spurs can do a S&T as long as the Wolves don't renounce Kirilenko.

    The problem is that the Spurs won't be able to sign Kirilenko with capspace or MLE or anything if they sign B and P first. If they amnesty Bonner and dump De Colo, P & B guarantee they have less space than than teams that use the MLE. If they keep Bonner and sign P, then they don't get the MLE and have to use the room exception on Belinelli.
    If the Spurs amnesty Bonner, trade De Colo and/or Mills and create cap space. They lose their MLE correct? At that point the only feasible option would be to sign Beli with the room exception and AK and Pend with cap space?

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    Flip must be taking a what's in it for me approach to sign and trade with Spurs. Or maybe he's trying to avoid pissing off the rest of the league as they give up Kirilenko for spare parts on a team that was 28 seconds away from winning the le.

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    If the Spurs amnesty Bonner, trade De Colo and/or Mills and create cap space. They lose their MLE correct? At that point the only feasible option would be to sign Beli with the room exception and AK and Pend with cap space?
    More or less although Pend would signed with a league min contract

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    More or less although Pend would signed with a league min contract
    Cool. Thanks.

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    Flip must be taking a what's in it for me approach to sign and trade with Spurs. Or maybe he's trying to avoid pissing off the rest of the league as they give up Kirilenko for spare parts on a team that was 28 seconds away from winning the le.


    Ya think? Everybody involved is taking the what's in it for me approach. Flip, AK, RC, everyone.

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    http://fansided.com/2013/07/10/minne...antonio-spurs/

    Minnesota Timberwolves Refuse to Trade Andrei Kirilenko to San Antonio Spurs

    Often times, teams are more than willing to help a former player work out a sign and trade deal with an opposing team as it’s better to get some type of asset(s) than to leave empty handed.

    That’s not a philosophy the Minnesota Timberwolves are employing when it comes to a sign and trade deal with Andrei Kirilenko – at least not right now.

    Reports surfaced last night that the San Antonio Spurs had contacted the Wolves in an attempt to sign and trade for the Russian born small forward, who they’ve hand a long standing interest in. Unable to sign him outright, the Spurs were hopeful they could engage the T’Wolves in a deal but they apparently had no interest in helping the Spurs get better or assisting a Western Conference rival.

    Per Yahoo Sports:

    The Spurs seriously considered a multiyear offer for Kirilenko, but Minnesota general manager Flip Saunders has shown little, if any, inclination to assist him in securing a significant financial contract elsewhere, sources said.
    This just sounds like negotiating posturing. If Saunders is indeed taking the bolded tact that just sounds like an excellent way to insure that AK leaves and they get nothing.

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    If the Spurs amnesty Bonner, trade De Colo and/or Mills and create cap space. They lose their MLE correct? At that point the only feasible option would be to sign Beli with the room exception and AK and Pend with cap space?
    yes . . . IF Beli is cheap enough for the room exception. Reports have been for slightly more than the room. And Pendergraph is supposed to be 2 million.

    That would leave only about 5 million at best either way for Kirlilenko if my math is close.

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    Flip still mad at Pop for getting him kicked out of Minnesatoa the first time. Couldn't get past Pop in the playoffs.

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    http://fansided.com/2013/07/10/minne...antonio-spurs/

    Minnesota Timberwolves Refuse to Trade Andrei Kirilenko to San Antonio Spurs

    Often times, teams are more than willing to help a former player work out a sign and trade deal with an opposing team as it’s better to get some type of asset(s) than to leave empty handed.

    That’s not a philosophy the Minnesota Timberwolves are employing when it comes to a sign and trade deal with Andrei Kirilenko – at least not right now.

    Reports surfaced last night that the San Antonio Spurs had contacted the Wolves in an attempt to sign and trade for the Russian born small forward, who they’ve hand a long standing interest in. Unable to sign him outright, the Spurs were hopeful they could engage the T’Wolves in a deal but they apparently had no interest in helping the Spurs get better or assisting a Western Conference rival.

    Per Yahoo Sports:

    The Spurs seriously considered a multiyear offer for Kirilenko, but Minnesota general manager Flip Saunders has shown little, if any, inclination to assist him in securing a significant financial contract elsewhere, sources said.
    Jul 10th, 2013 at 11:27 am

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    so the wolves gonna let Andrei walk. Good for them

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    Ya think? Everybody involved is taking the what's in it for me approach. Flip, AK, RC, everyone.
    Per the twitter link above it said that teams will often accommdate a player's wish for a sign and trade. I'm referring to that not being enough to work with the Spurs on the piss poor package of Bonner, Mills, and De Colo. Obviously they need something back to motivate them. But I think they want something back that hurts the Spurs too much to give up, be it a first round draft pick or a player like Green.

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    Flip must be taking a what's in it for me approach to sign and trade with Spurs. Or maybe he's trying to avoid pissing off the rest of the league as they give up Kirilenko for spare parts on a team that was 28 seconds away from winning the le.
    That would be such bull if true.

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    the window to amnesty Bonner is 7 days.

    I don't think Bonner is worried.

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    Spurs still haven't announced their signings yet! What gives?

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    I guess at this point lets just hope the Spurs continue to wait to announce the Beli and Pend signings. Probably means they are still looking at possible options.

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    Spurs still haven't announced their signings yet! What gives?
    Last year all them were pretty much officially announce by early afternoon, which is usually the case with the Spurs. So yeah, this isn't Spurs like.

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