Yahoo: Spurs' talks for Andrei Kirilenko end without deal

[Sean Cagney]

That AK has been renounced, the deal for Brewer and Martin has been made without the Spurs, or that the Spurs indeed used their MLE between Beli and Pendergraph, none of these things we know for sure yet

Look I want him on this team, but for who and how? I see you are putting some things together to say maybe it will happen and thats cool, but until I see the trade go through or see him here or positive news I will just take it as he is not coming.

Yeah, I heard the transactions were final, Kirilenko was renounced, and signed with Cleveland. I heard that all these transactions were formally announced and the players including our own free agent signings were announced at a press conference today.

You just called me negative when I said move on and he won't be here and then post this? HUH?

[Leetonidas]

Link or

[Kindergarten Cop]

lol..wut?

Link or

He (spurraider21) should have typed in blue or quoted Sean Cagney, because it was an obvious sarcastic response to the previous quote.

[Sean Cagney]

He (spurraider21) should have typed in blue or quoted Sean Cagney, because it was an obvious sarcastic response to the previous quote.

He should have quoted me then to say it. I agree on that there. The truth is though he is not on his way here nor near it yet, all this is speculation and me saying I don't think he will be here and move on is not being negative at all. I don't think he will end up here, if he doesn't I already moved on from it and won't be dissapointed at all while this thread will still be going.


Oh well, hope the Spurs make a move now to get a backup SF because they are thin at that spot.

[cd021]

http://www.fearthesword.com/2013/7/8...d-andrew-bynum


The article was written before Bynum agreed to sign with Cleveland. AK47 and Elton Brand was Plan B.

[cd021]

Link or

Its Not True...
http://www.fearthesword.com/2013/7/8...d-andrew-bynum

He was the plan B

Bynum was plan A and they got him

[spurraider21]

yeah i forgot to "reply with quote" and just used quick reply. still, considering they were consecutive posts and considering we were going back and forth i thought more people would have picked up on that.

and yes, blue font was VERY implied

[ducks]

Yeah, I heard the transactions were final, Kirilenko was renounced, and signed with Cleveland. I heard that all these transactions were formally announced and the players including our own free agent signings were announced at a press conference today.

you are one big internet bully want to be
you provide the damm link

[ducks]

yeah i forgot to "reply with quote" and just used quick reply. still, considering they were consecutive posts and considering we were going back and forth i thought more people would have picked up on that.

and yes, blue font was VERY implied

YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DO THAT?

[Kindergarten Cop]

He should have quoted me then to say it. I agree on that there. The truth is though he is not on his way here nor near it yet, all this is speculation and me saying I don't think he will be here and move on is not being negative at all. I don't think he will end up here, if he doesn't I already moved on from it and won't be dissapointed at all while this thread will still be going.


Oh well, hope the Spurs make a move now to get a backup SF because they are thin at that spot.

But it doesn't sound as if you are stating your opinion that he won't be here (at least from the way I look at it) - but more of a matter of fact. Especially, when you add in the derogatory remarks towards those that are still holding out a small glimmer of hope.

As it stands, you are more likely to be correct considering the difficulties that we face in bringing AK aboard - but nothing is definitive to this point. I get the pessimistic stance that you are taking and I respect it - but I have to side with those on the optimistic side (I know that I'm torturing myself). I'll hold out hope until something is made official.

If not, I hope that the Spurs move on to plan B to fix that glaring hole at backup SF as well.

[spursince#99]

you are one big internet bully want to be
you provide the damm link

Chill dimwit.

[spurraider21]

[coyotes_geek]

All data from Sham.

Spurs have $41,666,028 in committed salaries (TP, TD, Diaw, Bonner, Green, Leonard, Decolo, Mills, Joseph, Baynes)
Spurs have $30,642,049 in cap holds for Manu, Tiago, Blair, Neal, and LJC's rookie scale slot. (not counting all the cap holds for the ghosts of Robert Horry, Nick Van Exel, etc..)

Spurs current salary cap figure is $72,308,077

1. Re-signing Manu adds $6,746,988 to salary, removes $19,136,250 cap hold. Cap figure would be at $59,918,815; $1,239,815 over the cap.

2. Renouncing rights to Blair, Neal and getting the agreement with LJC that he's not coming this year removes $4,012,199 of cap holds. Spurs now $2,772,384 under the cap.

3. Amnestying Bonner would remove $3,945,000 of salary, but add a $490,180 cap hold because the Spurs will have fallen below the 12 player roster limit. Spurs now $6,227,204 under the cap. Probably not enough to get AK. Definitely not enough to get AK and $2 mil for Pendergraph.

4. The Spurs could salary dump DeColo. Subtracts $1,463,000 of salary, but adds another $490,180 roster charge for falling another player below the 12 player limit. Spurs now $7,200,024 under the cap. Probably getting in the ballpark for AK, but still not enough to get AK and pay $2 mil for Pendergraph.

5. The Spurs could salary dump Mills. Subtracts $1,133,950 of salary, but creates one more $490,180 roster charge. Spurs now $7,843,793 under the cap. A little more money to work with, but still not enough for AK & Pendergraph.

6. At this point, what's the point? Salary dumping Joseph is only going to get you another $700k or so because the Spurs would get hit with another roster charge. $8.5 mil of cap space is probably the salary AK is hoping for, and that still doesn't take into account Pendergraph. Not to mention the Spurs will have had to dump 6 players to get here, with having to orchestrate as many as 3 separate salary dump trades with 3 separate teams. Way too complicated to put it all together, and probably not even worth it at this point.

Conclusion: The Spurs aren't getting AK by signing him outright. It's S&T or bust. Since it's S&T or bust, there's really no point in trying to get under the cap.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Conclusion: The Spurs aren't getting AK by signing him outright. It's S&T or bust. Since it's S&T or bust, there's really no point in trying to get under the cap.

Or the fact that no team at this point has more than the MLE to offer AK, the Spurs can just use the MLE on AK to sign him straight up.

[Sean Cagney]

But it doesn't sound as if you are stating your opinion that he won't be here (at least from the way I look at it) - but more of a matter of fact. Especially, when you add in the derogatory remarks towards those that are still holding out a small glimmer of hope.

As it stands, you are more likely to be correct considering the difficulties that we face in bringing AK aboard - but nothing is definitive to this point. I get the pessimistic stance that you are taking and I respect it - but I have to side with those on the optimistic side (I know that I'm torturing myself). I'll hold out hope until something is made official.

If not, I hope that the Spurs move on to plan B to fix that glaring hole at backup SF as well.

Small glimmer of hope is just that, small! I will chose to focus on other moves they can make and are rumored to be on the table or just wait it out. I am not that hurt if they don't get AK either! I still think they can get a SF in here before the season and will keep hope alive there (Not just focused on AK though becuase it looks that ship sailed right now). Me and you agree on that last part there. I just don't want to get my hopes up that is all, too many times I did and got crushed or just let down (Finals this year I tried not to get hopes up but I did lol ).

I respect your stance and hold out some hope for him to get here, if not plan B must be in effect by now and they are moving on.

[Kindergarten Cop]

All data from Sham.

Spurs have $41,666,028 in committed salaries (TP, TD, Diaw, Bonner, Green, Leonard, Decolo, Mills, Joseph, Baynes)
Spurs have $30,642,049 in cap holds for Manu, Tiago, Blair, Neal, and LJC's rookie scale slot. (not counting all the cap holds for the ghosts of Robert Horry, Nick Van Exel, etc..)

Spurs current salary cap figure is $72,308,077

1. Re-signing Manu adds $6,746,988 to salary, removes $19,136,250 cap hold. Cap figure would be at $59,918,815; $1,239,815 over the cap.

2. Renouncing rights to Blair, Neal and getting the agreement with LJC that he's not coming this year removes $4,012,199 of cap holds. Spurs now $2,772,384 under the cap.

3. Amnestying Bonner would remove $3,945,000 of salary, but add a $490,180 cap hold because the Spurs will have fallen below the 12 player roster limit. Spurs now $6,227,204 under the cap. Probably not enough to get AK. Definitely not enough to get AK and $2 mil for Pendergraph.

4. The Spurs could salary dump DeColo. Subtracts $1,463,000 of salary, but adds another $490,180 roster charge for falling another player below the 12 player limit. Spurs now $7,200,024 under the cap. Probably getting in the ballpark for AK, but still not enough to get AK and pay $2 mil for Pendergraph.

5. The Spurs could salary dump Mills. Subtracts $1,133,950 of salary, but creates one more $490,180 roster charge. Spurs now $7,843,793 under the cap. A little more money to work with, but still not enough for AK & Pendergraph.

6. At this point, what's the point? Salary dumping Joseph is only going to get you another $700k or so because the Spurs would get hit with another roster charge. $8.5 mil of cap space is probably the salary AK is hoping for, and that still doesn't take into account Pendergraph. Not to mention the Spurs will have had to dump 6 players to get here, with having to orchestrate as many as 3 separate salary dump trades with 3 separate teams. Way too complicated to put it all together, and probably not even worth it at this point.

Conclusion: The Spurs aren't getting AK by signing him outright. It's S&T or bust. Since it's S&T or bust, there's really no point in trying to get under the cap.

Thanks for taking the time to spell this all out for us.

[Sean Cagney]

Or the fact that no team at this point has more than the MLE to offer AK, the Spurs can just use the MLE on AK to sign him straight up.

We don't have the MLE anymore from what some have said? I thought we wasted most of that on Pendy and Belli?

Thanks for taking the time to spell this all out for us.

I concur, that was a great post.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Small glimmer of hope is just that, small! I will chose to focus on other moves they can make and are rumored to be on the table or just wait it out. I am not that hurt if they don't get AK either! I still think they can get a SF in here before the season and will keep hope alive there (Not just focused on AK though becuase it looks that ship sailed right now). Me and you agree on that last part there. I just don't want to get my hopes up that is all, too many times I did and got crushed or just let down (Finals this year I tried not to get hopes up but I did lol ).

I respect your stance and hold out some hope for him to get here, if not plan B must be in effect by now and they are moving on.

[RD2191]

[coyotes_geek]

Or the fact that no team at this point has more than the MLE to offer AK, the Spurs can just use the MLE on AK to sign him straight up.

Cleveland can still beat an MLE offer, as can Atlanta and Charlotte (assuming they amnesty Tyrus Thomas). Maybe Detroit too. I'm sure AK would like to play for a contender, but there are still teams out there that might be able to buy his way out of that preference. Not to mention there's still "the Pendergraph contract conundrum".

I'd feel a lot better about the AK for MLE scenario if we find out that Jeff McDonald is a dumbass and confused a 2yr league min deal which would be $2 mil total for a 2 year deal that paid him $2 mil per.

[timvp]

All data from Sham.

Spurs have $41,666,028 in committed salaries (TP, TD, Diaw, Bonner, Green, Leonard, Decolo, Mills, Joseph, Baynes)
Spurs have $30,642,049 in cap holds for Manu, Tiago, Blair, Neal, and LJC's rookie scale slot. (not counting all the cap holds for the ghosts of Robert Horry, Nick Van Exel, etc..)

Spurs current salary cap figure is $72,308,077

1. Re-signing Manu adds $6,746,988 to salary, removes $19,136,250 cap hold. Cap figure would be at $59,918,815; $1,239,815 over the cap.

2. Renouncing rights to Blair, Neal and getting the agreement with LJC that he's not coming this year removes $4,012,199 of cap holds. Spurs now $2,772,384 under the cap.

3. Amnestying Bonner would remove $3,945,000 of salary, but add a $490,180 cap hold because the Spurs will have fallen below the 12 player roster limit. Spurs now $6,227,204 under the cap. Probably not enough to get AK. Definitely not enough to get AK and $2 mil for Pendergraph.

4. The Spurs could salary dump DeColo. Subtracts $1,463,000 of salary, but adds another $490,180 roster charge for falling another player below the 12 player limit. Spurs now $7,200,024 under the cap. Probably getting in the ballpark for AK, but still not enough to get AK and pay $2 mil for Pendergraph.

5. The Spurs could salary dump Mills. Subtracts $1,133,950 of salary, but creates one more $490,180 roster charge. Spurs now $7,843,793 under the cap. A little more money to work with, but still not enough for AK & Pendergraph.

6. At this point, what's the point? Salary dumping Joseph is only going to get you another $700k or so because the Spurs would get hit with another roster charge. $8.5 mil of cap space is probably the salary AK is hoping for, and that still doesn't take into account Pendergraph. Not to mention the Spurs will have had to dump 6 players to get here, with having to orchestrate as many as 3 separate salary dump trades with 3 separate teams. Way too complicated to put it all together, and probably not even worth it at this point.

Conclusion: The Spurs aren't getting AK by signing him outright. It's S&T or bust. Since it's S&T or bust, there's really no point in trying to get under the cap.

Great post, thanks.

My only note is that there is still a slight bit of hope that Pendergraph signed for the minimum. There is also hope that Ginobili's contract is smaller than the reported amount (like it was with Duncan and McDyess before him).

But, yeah, AK47 is a very difficult get right now for the Spurs.

[Sean Cagney]

Cleveland can still beat an MLE offer, as can Atlanta and Charlotte (assuming they amnesty Tyrus Thomas). Maybe Detroit too. I'm sure AK would like to play for a contender, but there are still teams out there that might be able to buy his way out of that preference.

We don't have our MLE left though correct? I thought we used most of it.

[Kindergarten Cop]

We don't have our MLE left though correct? I thought we used most of it.

Some are still holding out hope, since nothing is official yet, that Belinelli has signed for the room exception and Pendergraph has signed a minimum deal - leaving us with the full MLE.

[Sean Cagney]

Some are still holding out hope, since nothing is official yet, that Belinelli has signed for the room exception and Pendergraph has signed a minimum deal - leaving us with the full MLE.

I have to see this for myself to believe it. That would be great but we have to wait for the word to come out and how much they signed for. I hope you are right and that would be nice.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I have to see this for myself to believe it. That would be great but we have to wait for the word to come out and how much they signed for. I hope you are right and that would be nice.

You do find it interesting that nothing has been announced yet regarding these deals, no?