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    Martin was trying to run away and Zimmerman pursued him. There really is no question about that.
    So it's not clear who was on top, but it's clear Martin was running away and Zimmerman was chasing. If there is no question about that what's all the fuss about?

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    it's not 2 way. M was doing nothing, saw that he was being stalked by Z (who was armed and looking for asshole punks and ing rs), "perceived (accurately) a threat" and went on Stand Your Ground offense as best defense when Z came after him on foot.
    You do not get to legally assault a "perceived" threat. TM was not standing his ground. He was the aggressor.

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    Who's that woman in your avi?
    Obviously, the woman he wants to be. After all, and avatar is the graphical representation of the user or the user's alter ego or character.

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    Fuzzy is just a stupid troll. You are wasting your time trying to reason with him.
    Yep.

    I have this character flaw that I end up arguing with that Fussy troll. I had to put him on IGNORE to keep from wasting valuable time.

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    Sure, I am not saying that at a certain point he could not have felt threatened. I just do not buy his story whatsoever.

    I am watching the trial where Selma Mora said that Zimmerman was on top. There are all kinds of conflicting reports as to who was yelling for help and who was on top and all that. As such I don't even consider them. What I do consider is that Zimmerman has lied consistently about what events happened leading up to the confrontation.

    The law is very clear that if you cause the confrontation then you waive your right to self defense. Martin was trying to run away and Zimmerman pursued him. There really is no question about that.
    What does confrontation mean though? It can mean many things. You are using it in a loose sense. The idea that you can start a "confrontation" where there is no threat of physical violence and then proceed to get your ass pummeled and not have the right to defend yourself because you "waived your rights" just sounds ridiculous. There has to be more to it.

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    I am definitely arrogant. I think I have reason to be. I understand multivariable calculus, PDEs, topology, stochastics, and harmonic analysis. Most people have difficulty beyond simple algebra and I have no issues in the highest of mathematics.

    Simple logical proofs like application of laws or obvious causality are obvious.
    The above is so flawed...

    This reminds me of a mega preacher complex, John Hagee like.

    Self absorbed without a hint of true self-examination. It is rare you find a poster that puts out as many disingenuous arguments as Lumpkins. I would say this borders on intellectual narcissism.

    Amazing stuff.

    Yours in humbleness,
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    Fuzzy tries to portray himself as detached and a analytical on this issue, but, in reality, he comes off as Nancy Grace.

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    Obviously, the woman he wants to be. After all, and avatar is the graphical representation of the user or the user's alter ego or character.

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    Geraldo Rivera Says All Six Jurors Would Have Also Killed Trayvon Martin

    RIVERA: I see those six ladies in the jury putting themselves on that rainy night, in that housing complex that has just been burglarized by three or four different groups of black youngsters from the adjacent community. So it’s a dark night, a 6-foot-2-inch hoodie-wearing stranger is in the immediate housing complex. How would the ladies of that jury have reacted? I submit that if they were armed, they would have shot and killed Trayvon Martin a lot sooner than George Zimmerman did. This is self-defense.

    http://thinkprogress.org/media/2013/...rayvon-martin/

    One racial-profiliing Hispanic siding with another racial-profiling Hispanic.


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    Geraldo Rivera Says All Six Jurors Would Have Also Killed Trayvon Martin

    RIVERA: I see those six ladies in the jury putting themselves on that rainy night, in that housing complex that has just been burglarized by three or four different groups of black youngsters from the adjacent community. So it’s a dark night, a 6-foot-2-inch hoodie-wearing stranger is in the immediate housing complex. How would the ladies of that jury have reacted? I submit that if they were armed, they would have shot and killed Trayvon Martin a lot sooner than George Zimmerman did. This is self-defense.

    http://thinkprogress.org/media/2013/...rayvon-martin/

    One racial-profiliing Hispanic siding with another racial-profiling Hispanic.

    wow...crazy the lengths people go to defend the coward. now trayvon is 6'2 lol.

    they say tray attacked the coward at the T intersection as the coward was walking. tray appeared out of the thing air and attacked him at the T but the fight ended up 20-30 feet away from where the defense say it started. so tray now has super human genes and strength. when he punches people they fly 20 feet in the air, amazing.

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    You have to wonder if those six ladies on the Jury would have made a TV special about
    The Mystery of Al Capone's Vaults…

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    wow...crazy the lengths people go to defend the coward. now trayvon is 6'2 lol.

    they say tray attacked the coward at the T intersection as the coward was walking. tray appeared out of the thing air and attacked him at the T but the fight ended up 20-30 feet away from where the defense say it started. so tray now has super human genes and strength. when he punches people they fly 20 feet in the air, amazing.
    not guilty LOL

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    wow...crazy the lengths people go to defend the coward. now trayvon is 6'2 lol.

    they say tray attacked the coward at the T intersection as the coward was walking. tray appeared out of the thing air and attacked him at the T but the fight ended up 20-30 feet away from where the defense say it started. so tray now has super human genes and strength. when he punches people they fly 20 feet in the air, amazing.
    The 4 minutes of silence that showed just how long Martin had to flee show pretty conclusively that he was not running away.

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    Very powerful statement by O'Mara regarding the degree of injuries needed for self-defense. None, zero, nothing. The degree of injuries do not matter. You must only look at state of mind. Pretty damn strong.

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    ^^Geraldo quote bashers

    or reasonable homeowner who is not buying Trabonz supporters theory that he was going to the store for milk and cookies for the church pic nic.

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    so tray ran a 4 minute mile? impressive

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    Fuzzy tries to portray himself as detached and a analytical on this issue, but, in reality, he comes off as Nancy Grace.
    I haven't seen any signs of him being aroused by the killing of a minor.

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    you've been lol'ng and posting smiley's all through this thread. making silly bets. this has to be the time of your life. a innocent dead black teen and the killer might walk. shame that a 55 year old man is this pressed to see a killer walk, sad.

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    you've been lol'ng and posting smiley's all through this thread. making silly bets. this has to be the time of your life. a innocent dead black teen and the killer might walk. shame that a 55 year old man is this pressed to see a killer walk, sad.
    I just like ing with you. You have been whining and crying and repeating the same stupid over and over and over. Bottom line, the prosecution didn't prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and all the evidence points to a clean, legal self defense shoot.

    Deal with it.

    And I'm not laughing at the dead kid I'm laughing at you.

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    you've been lol'ng and posting smiley's all through this thread. making silly bets. this has to be the time of your life. a innocent dead black teen and the killer might walk. shame that a 55 year old man is this pressed to see a killer walk, sad.
    CC's racism is hiding being his strictly legal, and of course very safe, bet of "not guilty of 2nd degree murder"

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    He is not guilty no matter what the color of the dead guy.

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    And quit calling him a ing child. If the roles were reversed the state would be trying TM as an adult.

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    sure he is.

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    I just like ing with you. You have been whining and crying and repeating the same stupid over and over and over. Bottom line, the prosecution didn't prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and all the evidence points to a clean, legal self defense shoot.

    Deal with it.

    And I'm not laughing at the dead kid I'm laughing at you.
    oh so you're making a mockery of a innocent child's death because you think it makes me mad? its almost time you check yourself into the retirement home, gramps.

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