Summer League Thoughts: Spurs vs. Bobcats - July 12, 2013

[xmas1997]

Naw, he's just French!

[Chinook]

For an international player, De Colo's at ude and misplaced self-confidence seems to mirror that of an American player. He really seems to think he's better than he actually is. If he was a player who, as Pop likes to say, has "gotten over himself", he would realize that he's got major work to do on his game to play at this level. He's not a good shooter and is a terrible defender, so he's already at a disadvantage. Instead of him taking every opportunity to try to get better, he seems insulted because he's not already a major rotation player. Get a clue, dude.

I'm watching the game again right now, and during the sequence where Richards hit his pull-up, you could hear De Colo crying out that he's open even though Richards didn't even have a good passing angle. Going down the floor, you could tell De Colo was upset he didn't the ball, and he ended up not only fouling on the next sequence, but also acting really childish when he got called for hit (taking the ball away and dropping it a few feet farther away from the ref). I just can't see him lasting the season in San Antonio if he keeps this up.

[SenorSpur]

I'm watching the game again right now, and during the sequence where Richards hit his pull-up, you could hear De Colo crying out that he's open even though Richards didn't even have a good passing angle. Going down the floor, you could tell De Colo was upset he didn't the ball, and he ended up not only fouling on the next sequence, but also acting really childish when he got called for hit (taking the ball away and dropping it a few feet farther away from the ref). I just can't see him lasting the season in San Antonio if he keeps this up.

I'm also watching the game for the first time right now too. I saw that sequence too. I've gotta say that I'm worried about De Colo - not from a standpoint of development - but from his seemingly immature, y and childish at ude. Aside from being a long ways away from being an actual every game contributor, he just doesn't seem like Spurs material - at this moment.

[Baam]

De Colo compe ive spirit is better than the opposite, besides if you're rewatching the game you can't fail to notice the quality of the looks he created for Thomas while Cojo was pretty terrible creating for anyone...

[Baam]

Bottom line both of them probably don't cut it but it's ridiculous to see poeple trying to invent qualities for Cojo that don't even exist like a silky stroke, like really . He's more likable but that doesn't make him a good player.

[SenorSpur]

Compe ive spirit is one thing, childish, immature behavior is another.

[TXstbobcat]

I thought Joseph was clutch hitting that game winner but I expected more out of Baynes. Fun game to watch. Good to get back to watching a spurs game again.

[toki9]

Compe ive spirit is one thing, childish, immature behavior is another.

I think it's mostly an at ude thing...Nando just looked both pouty and disinterested at the same time (which, I think, is hard to do)...I think he's playing the summer league because he got his wrist slapped by the Spurs FO at the end of the season for his comments/tweets and wants to show the FO that he's a team player--like a reputation rehab assignment for him...but he has to be fully engaged while he's there...just showing up and going through the motions (or visibly showing irritation at the level of talent around him) does more damage to his team credibility than not being there at all (I would think)...

As of the middle of this past season, the backup PG job was Nando's to lose (I think Pop said as much, but don't remember the exact quote)...and he lost to CoJo--who doesn't have Nando's vision or the size--because CoJo's desperate to do everything that's asked of him...i hope Nando understands that he's not exactly elite enough in anything to get by with this kind of comportment...otherwise he's in danger of becoming very pouty (and worse shooting) Udrih...

[Chinook]

De Colo compe ive spirit is better than the opposite, besides if you're rewatching the game you can't fail to notice the quality of the looks he created for Thomas while Cojo was pretty terrible creating for anyone...

Joseph out-assisted De Colo.

[Baam]

Joseph out-assisted De Colo.

Yeah that's really disingenuous to respond like that tbh, especially if you watched the game twice. There's assists and assists, Thomas hit several tough shots with a hand in his face and even a buzzer beater at the end of a ty possession, De Colo created clean open looks for him, no comparison.

[Kingsly Alexander]

Joseph out-assisted De Colo.

And thats because his two assigned duties of the game were to score as much as possible and set up the offensive schemes.

For those knocking Baynes, TBF, it's not like he had a lot of set plays called for him or was given the ball much on the pick and roll

[Chinook]

Yeah that's really disingenuous to respond like that tbh, especially if you watched the game twice. There's assists and assists, Thomas hit several tough shots with a hand in his face and even a buzzer beater at the end of a ty possession, De Colo created clean open looks for him, no comparison.

Not that stats are the end-all, be-all. But the numbers don't lie here. Neither player did much to set up their teammates. De Colo made some nice passes, but he didn't really set up anybody. Joseph tried a lot harder to run the offense. His teammates were just garbage compared to the regular Spurs' players.

[Kingsly Alexander]

Damn Pittman lost a lot of weight.

And I'm eager to see what he'll bring once he plays, not that there's much of a chance of him making the roster, but if he plays well, surely an invite to pre-season

[Chinook]

And thats because his two assigned duties of the game were to score as much as possible and set up the offensive schemes.

For those knocking Baynes, TBF, it's not like he had a lot of set plays called for him or was given the ball much on the pick and roll

I'm not saying that Joseph out-assisting De Colo wasn't by design. I was responding to Baam's post that De Colo was good at setting up his teammates while Joseph wasn't.

Most people knocking Baynes aren't doing so for his lack of offense. He just kept making dumb play after dumb play on defense and on the boards. He gave the Bobcats like five or six extra possessions.

[TXstbobcat]

I know it was only one game but I really hope the spurs find a spot to try to develop Thomas.

[jermaine]

I think Baynes is an will be a great big off the bench. He's strictly a bruiser. Come in for about 10mins a gm, set hard picks, rebound, defense, an hard fouls. Nuttin more nuttin less. He sets a meannnnnn hard screen. An he can put the ball in the hole. But as far as Cory an De Colo! If they were hoth aggressive, I'd like De colo much better. His basketball smart, is off the charts. Cory looks like a back up. Not like he's even sniffing the reigns to take over for Tony.

[Kingsly Alexander]

Not that stats are the end-all, be-all. But the numbers don't lie here. Neither player did much to set up their teammates. De Colo made some nice passes, but he didn't really set up anybody. Joseph tried a lot harder to run the offense. His teammates were just garbage compared to the regular Spurs' players.

right. Again, according to Udoka, De Colo's job was to concentrate on being a two guard offensively and defensively. And CJ was to score and set up the offensive schemes when he was trying to score.

Neither one was particularly concerned with setting up shots for the other players.

[jermaine]

I know it was only one game but I really hope the spurs find a spot to try to develop Thomas.

His best development is to practice against Kawhi! I think he's a great solid back up for Kawhi.

[toki9]

Yeah that's really disingenuous to respond like that tbh, especially if you watched the game twice. There's assists and assists, Thomas hit several tough shots with a hand in his face and even a buzzer beater at the end of a ty possession, De Colo created clean open looks for him, no comparison.

Joseph's assists are pretty routine, conservative type sets--he's not really going to create looks that no one else saw prior to the pass...whereas DeColo can create those assists--when he's on and is surrounded by commensurate level of talent (watching him play reminded me of watching Kenny Anderson in his Georgia Tech days...great vision and passes, but surrounded by guys who didn't know what to do with his passes...he had to get to the NBA to become fully effective as a passer)--but Nando's also much more prone to take risks when those risks aren't necessarily the better options...

Besides his at ude and motor, CoJo won the backup PG job over Nando because he didn't turn the ball over (and of course, CoJo had 4 TO to Nando's 3 in last night's game)--and I think that has a lot to do with the way they play the game...it really is like a case of tortoise vs. hare in some ways...

Nando is really good, but not nearly as good (at least right now) as he thinks he is...and if he can get over that inflated self-image and really learns to take coaching constructively, both he and the team would be so much better off...

[Bruno]

De Colo is playing the SL just because Spurs asked him to do so. Now, he surely got concerns to see Spurs trying him at the SG spot while having signed Belinelli and not giving up on Neal.

At that stage, the best solution for both Spurs and De Colo would be a trade.

[toki9]

De Colo is playing the SL just because Spurs asked him to do so.

You can definitely see that in the way he plays...he doesn't really want to be in Vegas, playing the SL...i'm curious to know what kind of wrist slap that the Spurs FO gave him at the end of the season over his comment/tweets--not that that matters...

[Johnny RIngo]

At this moment, I almost wish we could somehow trade De Colo and open up another roster spot.

Almost? I'll pack his bags myself if the Spurs can make that trade happen.

[Johnny RIngo]

otherwise DeColo's in danger of becoming very pouty (and worse shooting) Udrih...

He already is that player. Difference is Udrih was able to carve out an NBA career for himself(no matter how ty it's been). I don't see an NBA career for DeColo. IMO, he's back in Europe within two years.

[Bruno]

You can definitely see that in the way he plays...he doesn't really want to be in Vegas, playing the SL...i'm curious to know what kind of wrist slap that the Spurs FO gave him at the end of the season over his comment/tweets--not that that matters...

Well, De Colo said that Spurs told him to shut up but nothing too bad:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post6646850

Now, I don't he is playing SL as some sort of punishment. He is playing because Spurs want to see him at the SG spot and there might have some hidden motives like showcasing him for a trade.

[weebo]

This Summer is for CoJo as much as it was for Leonard last year. He is going to have to prove to everyone he's ready to make the next step and be a legitimate player for the upcoming season. The Spurs are probably high on his ability to become the full time back up point guard. Let's just hope he's ready to meet the challenge head on.